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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:33 PM
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I did find Jon's BASIC point interesting.
His BASIC point is that news organizations have positioned the argument in this country as Red v. Blue, when the national argument SHOULD focus on corruption v. non-corruption.

I can accept that.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:34 PM
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1. An excellent point.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:35 PM
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2. corruption vs non-corruption is red vs. blue.
Jon Stewart is looking like one of these clueless centrists these days.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:46 PM
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8. There are corrupt dems also
if you do not think so then you need to look at rangle and others
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:50 PM
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9. Yeah, he really is. Corruption is cheating Americans, making the rich richer,
shortchanging the middle class - basically, everything repukes do. I don't really care about Rangel, simply because he does good for people.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:39 PM
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3. That should be the focus, but it seemed like it got hijacked along the way...
and no one knows how to stop it. The horse left the barn and there's no bringing it back now.

So, how do we fix this? Fairness Doctrine?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:40 PM
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4. Actually Rachel and Keith do point out corruption with facts.
So do Ed and Cenk and O'Donnell.

Fox doesn't do facts, neither do the teabaggers.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:36 PM
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16. So while he's correct on corruption he's still using false equivalency on fox v. liberals on msnbc
not all of msnbc mind you, just the liberals.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:43 PM
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5. But... but... but...
Our side = good

Their side = evil

Anything more nuanced that that is lost here anymore.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:44 PM
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6. Yea it is about getting rid of bad in government.
Not getting rid of government.

And getting rid of bad private sector with rules and enforcement, not getting rid of private sector.



And having a beer with friends can also remove corruption, when I figured that out I learned something, about corruption not being about what you do, but how, and sometimes why, you do it.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:44 PM
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7. Well he stuck up for Fox and Bush
And you don't get anymore corrupt than that.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:51 PM
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10. Throw in actual news versus partisan propaganda
and you've got a deal!

:headbang:
rocktivity
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:56 PM
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11. This whole Jon Stewart thing is his posturing
My guess is his audience of libs has topped out and he needs to now appear to be bi-partisan (cough, cough) in order to increase the numbers. He didn't used to be like this. I frankly couldn't understand (or stand) much of what he had to say at the rally or on Rachel's show. He seemed very uncomfortable to me.

Either that or he freaked out when someone called him the "most influential person in the country". He should stick to comedy.

Just my cynical input in this up-is-down-down-is-up world.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:57 PM
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12. Do you really think people like Jon really get it? Kumbaya only goes so far. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:00 PM
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13. Except I don't think he's accurate.
News organizations, largely owned by right wing controlled corporations, frame the news as Blue vs. American.
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:11 PM
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14. It's Rich vs Poor
It has always been the people's divider, and always will be...

Class Warfare has been around for centuries...


"I vote Republican, because some day I am going to be rich... I want to be one of 'them' too." -- Tea Ignorance
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:15 PM
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15. Sure, but the media frames it as (good) Americans vs. (bad) Democrats.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 11:15 PM by EFerrari
Or liberals or leftists or progressives. The term that describes us is always the bad one.

And as you point out, we are in the middle of a nasty class war that the media's framing obscures.
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