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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:55 PM
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Fricking Whiplash From the Stewart Romance and Break-Up Here
Hilarious.

I think Stewart was over his head when he decided to hold a political rally. It's one thing to read comedy lines from a staff of writers, its another to form a coalition around actual ideals and principles.

What was the crowd thinking they were representing by standing with him in back of the Capitol? Stewart tried to articulate something at the end of the rally - made some good points - and trailed off into pablum, sounding as if he didn't recognize his own voice.

One thing that became evident about the crowd that followed him from around the country to stand before the house of our national legislature. They were mostly Democrats committed to supporting other Democrats into office and overwhelmingly in support of our President. I think I saw the signs of a distancing of DU enthusiasts of their political comedy champion when that support became apparent. It's a shame.

What Mr. Stewart was expressing wasn't any affinity for the opposition party, he was appealing for perspective and rationality in our political deliberations and discussions and the even-handed prescription he offered fell flat. I don't think he was necessarily equating Democrat/progressive-friendly punditry with right wing prognostication. He was pointing out that there's a bit of bullshit on both sides of the political fence.

He's right, you know. I think the many of the snapback responses to his expressing his viewpoint today with Maddow is little more than than embarrassment over believing he was just talking about the 'other guy' and not our immaculate selves. A little introspection can be a good thing, though it usually hurts.

At my store, our mantra is that our critics are our friends, because, they help us improve. I'd still like to kick them right out of the door, but hell, if I did that I'd only be cutting my own throat. We know there's still great value in the honesty and truth-telling that's filtered through Stewart's comedic delivery. It'll be good to see him go back to just that. It's a bit harder now, though, to watch him with the satisfaction that he's just talking about the 'other guy'. It just might keep some folks on their toes. That's not such a bad thing.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:57 PM
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1. No break up for me. I just think he's flat out wrong.
Frankly I prefer him more as a comedian than a pundit, which is what he's been lately.
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Riktor Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:37 PM
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12. Tucker Carlson said the same thing
I fail to see what's flat-out wrong about pointing out how rational debate is preferable to frothing hyperbole.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:49 AM
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17. The problem is that Stewart sees "frothing hyperbole" where there is none.
"George W. Bush is a war criminal." is NOT "frothing hyperbole."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:59 PM
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2. hei s saying stop the extreme. the extreme is fox. teabaggers. bush. he was apologist for all 3
you cant on the one hand say, stop the extreme and on the other hand declare the extreme is not extreme
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:11 PM
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5. +1
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:03 PM
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3. Too many on here aren't comfortable with introspection.
It's a lot easier to think Republicans = Evil, Fox = Evil, Keith = Good, etc.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:09 PM
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4. Agreed.....
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 11:10 PM by K8-EEE
I've enjoyed Jon's show for so long and he's often been the ONLY one asking the tough questions, the only one to show VIDEO of politicos openly contradicting themselves and lying.

I've really appreciated his work and am not going to throw him to the wolves over one dumb interview!
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:11 PM
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6. I don't think I'll be able to watch his show again until he apologizes for...
...dismissing Bush's war crimes as a technicality that shouldn't be brought up because it kills conversations.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:13 PM
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8. It's too much hard work
I have free time, so I can like and enjoy MSNBC and also recognize its shortcomings.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:15 PM
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10. or they can just disagree with him
One can be introspective and still think Stewart is off here. Of course, one can also disagree with Jon on this and still appreciate him for all that he brings to the conversation.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:40 PM
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19. Yup. nt
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IDHow Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:44 PM
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20. Well, you have to admit that Fox is evil as it relentlessly attacks regular people
and defends the big business elites in a package that many regular folks get lured into believing. It's vicious. They prey on older people, the weak and the underpriveliged, and that's just pure evil LostinAnomie.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:13 PM
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7. Yes, it must be shocking for you when people change their minds based on what people say...
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 11:14 PM by Bonobo
Instead of blindly following and doggedly defending someone no matter what they do.


:sarcasm:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:13 PM
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9. I think he did fine. I doubt most people are as critical as the DU audience.
I'm still fan.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:20 PM
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11. Way to talk down on people.
Is that you say job too?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:40 PM
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13. It was his turn to be dumped. That's how it works.
He compares us to tea baggers, we think he's dumb, wrong and shallow.

Now, it's his turn again.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:43 PM
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14. I agree with the OP...
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 11:59 PM by tex-wyo-dem
Although I hate all the false equivilancy BS, anyone who has been watching Jon for any substantial period of time knows he doesn't play sides and is more than willing to expose craziness on both sides. Of course he's concentrated on the craziness on the right more because, well, they are just a hell of a lot more crazy.

Anyone who has read his book America or saw his performance on CNN's Cossfire knows that Jon has appealed to civility and intelligent political discourse for a long time, so anyone thinking his rally was going to be a left-wing love fest wasn't paying attention. Hell, it was called "The Rally to restore Sanity"...what more evidence do you need?

More liberals are fans of Jon because liberals posess more sanity anD sense of humor, period.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:48 PM
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15. I think you're right and I think the "in over his head" thing goes beyond the rally.
He took over the Daily Show, a show that was NOT a political show, in what, 99? He made political jokes, but a lot of people did. He kept making political jokes through the Bush fiasco and the show started becoming more and more political. He never claimed to be anything BUT a comedian, but suddenly he finds himself being cast as the voice of the left. He can't say anything without pundits analyzing it endlessly.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:21 AM
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16. I'll have to disagree with you to a certain extent...
Although I can't speak for his early days in TDS, as long as I've been watching him (8+ yrs), Jon has positioned himself, and the show, as very political. One thing he has always remained consistent on is his appeal to both sides for reasonable and intelligent discourse. The problem is is that our side has always been willing to work with the oposition on a reasonable level, but the oposition is, unfortunately, batshit crazy and overcome by stupidity and greed.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:36 PM
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18. at my store, our mantra is that our critics are our friends, because, they help us improve..
you should thake that approach with your president as well.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:22 PM
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21. K&R...nt
Sid
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:24 PM
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22. Your mistake is in your second line
He never said it was a political rally. That some liberals decided to make it one is not Jon's fault. He has a comedy show and doesn't owe us anything. You don't like it, change the channel.
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