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apples and oranges Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:43 AM
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San Francisco may ban circumcision
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/images/410*324/custom1234976157222scalpel.jpg

If passed in November 2011, the measure would change San Francisco's police code “to make it a misdemeanor to circumcise, excise, cut or mutilate the foreskin, testicle or penis of another person who has not attained the age of 18.”

The punishment for those who choose to cut away anyway would be up to a $1,000 fine and up to one year in prison.



http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Next-on-San-Franciscos-Hit-List-Circumcision-107316878.html?__source=Facebook

Good idea? I say go for it. Other cities should follow suit.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:45 AM
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1. So if it's your choice they want to have freedom over your own body -piercings should be illegal too
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 08:49 AM by stray cat
So choice is not a progressive value unless you are killing a fetus?
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:45 AM
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2. Anti-semitic, anti-muslim law?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:46 AM
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3. Wouldn't that be a law that goes against the First Amendment.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:47 AM
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4. No, not a good idea. Should we allow cities to ban other
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 08:47 AM by sufrommich
medical procedures? How about a fine or imprisonment for an abortion? Slippery slope and most likely unconstitutional.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:21 AM
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15. Cosmetic breast implants, for instance? n/t
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:48 AM
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5. Grist for Glenn Beck's mill.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:51 AM
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6. "One city resident" is proposing this, ONE. Yet we keep letting the m$m offer us this pablum
while they ignore real news.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:51 AM
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7. will fall to a federal 1st amendment
and a California state Constitutional challenge.

Specifically the clauses on religious freedom.

To Jews and Muslims, circumcision (a bris) is a tenet of their faith and passing a law forbidding this practice is a clear violation of the US 1st amendment as well as Article 1 Sec. 4 of the California Constitution.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:52 AM
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8. Stoo-pid
nt
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:54 AM
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9. There's a good medical reason for circumcision. Won't pass.
Reduces penal yeast infections. I'm sure you don't want to see the pictures . . .
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:57 AM
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10. One lone "anti-circumcision activist" trying to get over 7,000 signatures does not mean
that "San Francisco May Ban Circumcision". I just wonder if journalism has always been this sloppy and irresponsible -or if it's always been like this.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:05 AM
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12. Yup; I noticed that upthread and still everyone's all over it. It's a recent
phenom, IMHO--if the last 15 years counts as recent.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:03 AM
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11. Look's like one city resident is behind this....and NBC makes the leap that San Francisco.....

..... may ban circumcision? Geez, and people say the media has no credibility.


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:05 AM
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14. Glad to see a few of us are noticing this--but I bet the popcorn
will still be flying fast and furious in this thread.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:27 AM
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17. Yep. Just judging by some of the responses, some people either can't or won't read.
nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:07 AM
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21. this is what stewart is talking about media,... that we recognize as the problem
as i say, not just on politics... they gotta find news, anything salacious. it is really fuckin with our minds, i think
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:05 AM
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13. Long discussion here from last night:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4611604

The thread is still open so feel free to respond and kick it.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:22 AM
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16. Someone in San Francisco seems to be drunk with power.
First Happy Meals. Now this.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:37 AM
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18. First they came for the Happy Meals and I did not speak up - because I don't eat Happy Meals
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 09:51 AM by Douglas Carpenter
No doubt, some will wonder, what next? Are they going to try to pass laws against parents sending their children to Sunday School or Catechism Class or Hebrew School because they consider this subjecting children to forced religious indoctrination?

Actually it is measures like this or attempts at authoritarian nanny state measures like this that completely culturally alienate liberals and progressives from ordinary working-class Americans and make the Teabaggers look more like the mainstream.

Besides, there is a sizable Jewish community AND a sizable Muslim community in San Francisco. Obviously this will not fly with either of these two groups. Perhaps this is one issue where both religious communities might feel that their religious practice is under siege and there is at least one issue where they can unite

But aside from the religious angle and regardless what people may personally think about circumcision, such legislation is going to strike mainstream Americans across the political spectrum as out-of-touch authoritarian-nanny-state PC and once again give the left a bad name.

Those who oppose male circumcision should feel free to try to convince parents not to have it done on their children. But most Americans, will not accept government mandated meddling in what almost everyone considers personal family decisions. I'm confident though, that unlike the Happy Meal ordinance, this will certainly not pass. It simply offends too many people.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:57 AM
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19. One city resident is proposing a ballot measure that would ban circumcision in the City, according t
again, as the article says this is being proposed by:

One city resident


http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Next-on-San-Franciscos-Hit-List-Circumcision-107316878.html?__source=Facebook

This is NOT going to pass.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:04 AM
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20. Both my sons are uncircumcized but it should
be a choice not a mandate.

That is ludicrous.
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