It's only $89,000 a round but . . . - Democratic Underground

unhappycamper

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Mon Nov-15-10 07:40 AM
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It's only $89,000 a round but . . .

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unhappycamper summary of this article: For $89,000 a round, these are a tad expensive.

Artillery gets more accurate, lethal
By Lance M. Bacon - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Nov 15, 2010 5:24:52 EST

Anchoring this arsenal is the Excalibur precision-guided artillery round. It launches at 1,800 mph with a range of 26 miles and lands with unprecedented accuracy.

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hobbit709

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Mon Nov-15-10 07:48 AM
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1. So in today's assymetrical wars., it will cost $89K per shot

To take out a $3K pickup full of "suspected insurgents"

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OneTenthofOnePercent

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Mon Nov-15-10 08:07 AM
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2. I don't think the price is bad cosidering they will dramatically lower civilian casualties.

Hellfire missles (typical air-to-ground) cost in the neighborhood of 70k
AIM-120 missles (air to air) cost about 300k to 700k depending on the variant
Stinger missles (surface to air) are about 40k
JDAM (guided smart-bombs) are about $40-$70k

All in all, based on the going rates, I think something that can reach out 14 miles and hit within 30 feet is a bargain at only $90,000.

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leveymg

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Mon Nov-15-10 08:27 AM
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3. I heard this same pseudo-humanitarian argument for the use of DIME munitions in Lebanon in 2006.

Edited on Mon Nov-15-10 08:29 AM by leveymg

The lethality is a draw. These so-called smart munitions are simply more lethal within a smaller area than the old dumb "iron" bombs and artillery rounds.

Not a bargain, not more humane, just more expensive and a windfall for tech companies.

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gratuitous

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Mon Nov-15-10 08:40 AM
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5. Why would it lower civilian casualties?

If you drop an $89,000 Excalibur on a wedding party, it's bound to kill about the same number of civilians as a $40,000 Stinger, since both weapons are fired based on the same faulty intelligence. Maybe we should try winning hearts and minds with something other than missiles and bombs?

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Jackpine Radical

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Mon Nov-15-10 08:58 AM
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7. I know one simple act that would win the hearts & minds

of the majority of Afghans.

We could leave.

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Catherina

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Mon Nov-15-10 08:37 AM
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4. We have so much money to kill people but none for house or feed our homeless? Rec'd n/t

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Jackpine Radical

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Mon Nov-15-10 08:56 AM
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6. Any idea how much old-fashioned arty cost per round?

Like 105's, 155's, 8", etc. I imagine those big 16" Navy gun rounds were already pretty expensive.

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Angleae

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Mon Nov-15-10 07:01 PM
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9. About $300 for a 155mm shell.

8" and larger are no longer in use (not to mention no one has made a 16" shell since WWII).

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unhappycamper

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Tue Nov-16-10 06:27 AM
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10. IIRC, the old, unguided 155 mm round cost around $300. n/t

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Gravel Democrat

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Mon Nov-15-10 09:40 AM
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8. ^^

Total Cost of Wars Since 2001
$1,107,669,249,799

Cost of War in Iraq
$742,244,566,948

Cost of War in Afghanistan
$365,424,682,850

If you count to 5 the Gov just spent $10,000 (ten thousand dollars in 5 seconds, every single 5 seconds there is another $10 k and it just goes on and on and on while the people are being hosed)

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