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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:37 PM
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If we didn't know better, I would almost be willing to swear pubs allowed BHO to be president
provided he: kept the wars raging; kept the Patriot Act and onerous TSA invasive procedures intact; kept DADT; passed HCR but without single-payer or some form of universal health care, while assuring escalating profits for insurers and big pharma are kept fully intact; kept the Wall Street banksters and fraudsters happy with continued bailouts and no meaningful reform; drilled, baby, drilled; kept junior's tax cuts for the wealthy intact; continued a Republican-styled highly irresponsible fiscal policy so budget deficits could be used against Dems during the next presidential election; and for lagniappe, gutted social security and Medicare to help pay for those continued tax cuts for the wealthy and the mushrooming expenditures for the military. Now is this not some great kind of country or what? ;)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:40 PM
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1. You are not alone in your interesting musings.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 04:42 PM by BrklynLiberal
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:41 PM
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2. The millions of voters had no effect in the outcome?
These posts just baffle me. And piss me off. You're essentially saying he sold his soul.
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:47 PM
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7. voters still have the power to make changes?
I can't stop laughing... how naive.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:24 PM
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19. I'm saying the voters put Obama in the WH -- what is meant by the Republicans
'permitting' it?

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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:19 PM
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17. "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal" - Emma Goldman
... nearly 100 years ago. Nothing's changed.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:25 PM
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21. Voters can put someone into office, take someone out. That's about it, I agree.
and that's of course, if SCOTUS doesn't do the 'voting'.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:22 AM
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37. No one . . .
. . . who reaches the presidency hasn't "sold his soul" to some degree. To reach such high position fairly implies a compromise of values, including a significant superimposition of ambition over principle. Why is that so shocking to contemplate?

In BHO's case, it's pretty clear just by listening his speech as an Illinois state senator regarding Universal Single Payer, compared to what he eventually supported as POTUS.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:42 PM
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3. Anybody got a "not this shit again" graphic handy? n/t
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one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:13 PM
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15. ....


:D

:hi:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:43 PM
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4. "allowed"?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:44 PM
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5. More likely that the owners allowed it -
two parties keep the workers busy and divided. This has been going on awhile ...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:44 PM
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6. See, it's not just the right wing that is hell-bent on delegitimizing a Democratic President.
Isn't that nice...
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:47 PM
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8. +1.
And it must be perfectly fine to do so here. :shrug:
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:07 PM
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13. +2. He's probably from Kenya too.
:puke:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:09 PM
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14. And a muslin since his middle name is Hussein, as was pointed out by the OP
in using BHO instead of Obama.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:16 PM
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16. Using acronyms to name US Presidents is older than steam.
GWB, LBJ, JFK, HST, FDR...
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:43 PM
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28. ...but from a "liberal perspective"
of course.
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:49 PM
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9. You seem right about one thing...
You don't appear to know any better.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:51 PM
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10. The anti-Hillary crowd insisted on "inspiration" rather than "know how".
Blame them.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:13 PM
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23. Hillary CAMPAIGNED on the sorts of things that made the left mad at Obama
(Obliterate Iran, have to show proof of health insurance to get a job, etc. None of it was for the good)

Oh, and she played the race card ("Hard working WHITE Americans know what I'm talking about")

No sense acting like she'd have been better.

We were screwed either way.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:28 AM
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33. Thank you
The "hillary shoulda won" crowd can be almost as bad as teagbaggers when it comes to ignoring facts.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:18 PM
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24. lol...their experience was about equal.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 06:19 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
Unless you count "first lady" as experience. I don't. Not for Hillary, not for Michelle, not for Laura Bush (or Lynn Cheney if you want to be realistic).
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:57 PM
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11. When does that "edit post" second-chance feature start again?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 04:58 PM by CakeGrrl
Except in this case, I don't know how it would be re-worded to NOT be offensive and maintain its original "meaning".
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:02 PM
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12. I wonder, do you really "know better"?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 05:03 PM by NYC Liberal
  • Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.
  • Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.
  • Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.
  • Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).
  • Signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
  • Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."
  • Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.
  • Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”
  • Signed the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2009 expanding health coverage for 250,000 children.
  • Rescinded a Bush administration directive that effectively made it impossible for states to raise their eligibility limits under the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) above 250 percent of the poverty level.
  • Named Wilma Liebman as the next chairwoman of the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB). As an NLRB member over the past eight years, Liebman challenged the Bush administration’s war on workers.
  • Nominated Mark Pearce, a member of the New York State United Teachers union, and Craig Becker, current associate general counsel for the AFL-CIO and the Service Employees International Union, to the to the National Labor Relations Board.
  • Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.
  • Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.
  • Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.
  • Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.
  • Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.
  • Established a credit card "bill of rights".
  • Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
  • Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
  • Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).
  • Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
  • Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.
  • Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.
  • Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.
  • Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.
  • Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.
  • Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.
  • On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.
  • Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.
  • Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.
  • Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.
  • Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.
  • Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
  • Released presidential records.
  • Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
  • Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.
  • Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.
  • Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.
  • Increased funding for the NEA.
  • Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
  • Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
  • Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
  • Investment in all types of alternative energy.
  • Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.
  • Support for high-speed rail.
  • Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
  • Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.
  • Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.
  • Stop raids on medical marijuana dispensers.
  • Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States, the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.
  • Nominated Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court of the United States.
  • Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.
  • Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
  • Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.
  • Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.
  • Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.
  • Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.
  • Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.
  • Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.
  • Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."
  • Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.
  • Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.
  • Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.
  • Established the White House Office of Health Reform
  • Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.
  • Signed into law the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act
  • Overturned a 22-year-old travel and immigration ban against people with HIV.
  • Extended the Ryan White HIV/AIDS program.
  • Directed US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice to sign the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities Proclamation. The UN treaty calls on all countries to guarantee equal benefits, protection, and justice for individuals with disabilities around the world.
  • Largest increase in veterans funding ever - more than the VA had actually asked for.
  • Signed the Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act into law.
  • Signed the Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010 into law.
  • Signed the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act into law.
  • Signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act into law.
  • Signed the Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act into law.
  • Reversed the USA's negative global image in one fell swoop.
  • Signed the Fair Sentencing Act, which reduces the disparity in the amounts of powder cocaine and crack cocaine required for the imposition of mandatory minimum sentences and eliminates the mandatory minimum sentence for simple possession of crack cocaine.
  • Signed into law the Small Business Jobs Bill that will help promote job creation and spur private-sector growth.
  • Signed into law the most comprehensive financial regulatory overhaul since the Great Depression.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:26 PM
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22. Thanks for talking me down. I'm removing my post below.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:33 AM
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34. Thank you n/t
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:51 AM
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35. Awesome post. Can a single post be recommended??? (NT)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:22 PM
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18. Self-deleted.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 05:28 PM by pacalo


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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:24 PM
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20. The US is run like any corporation, It has a Board of Directors and 15-year plans
You don't get the job of President or CEO unless the Board approves your application and you're on board with implementing their 15 year plan.

We may vote every 4 years but the strategists spend every day planning, plotting and implementing.

After Jimmy Carter slipped past them, they tightened up the rules.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:33 PM
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25. I suspect that the MSM's cheerleading for Obama was to cut out Hillary..;.
Smirk had ruined any chance of America electing a Republican, so a Democratic president in 2008 was a foregone conclusion. The conservative corporate media certainly knew that. So perhaps they did all they could to make sure that the incoming Democratic president would be someone OTHER than Hillary -- for obvious reasons. That would explain why they went out of their way to (a) excoriate the Clintons, and (b) boost Obama's profile.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:37 PM
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26. Rev Wright and no flag lapel pin was cheerleading? LOL!
That's quite a selective memory.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:50 PM
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32. Don't forget the two week attention Michelle Obama's 'proud to be an American' comment got.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:42 PM
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27. Ridiculous premise. nt
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:45 PM
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29. I'd be willing to swear you were dropped on your head as a child.
Repeatedly.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:49 PM
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30. if i didn't know better, i'd swear the PTB deemed 2008 the year of the first black president
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 08:51 PM by Hannah Bell
in order to let the black guy take the fall for the worst economy since world war 2, & all the shit that follows from that.

there's no other reason i can see that 2008 should be the year of the "FBP" than 2004 or 2012, or 2000 for that matter, or any other year in the last 20-odd years.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:49 PM
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31. BHO, really?
Last person I heard use that moniker for the president was foaming at the mouth about Kenya and birth certificates.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:30 AM
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39. When I use BHO . . .
. . . it's because they're actually his initials.

Has this place become so charged that the President's initials (i.e. GWB, LBJ, JFK, HST, FDR, TR, etc.) are now off-limits?

If so, I apologize for referencing the president by his initials above. I had no idea they were verboten in common usage.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:18 AM
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36. Well the pukes did put up McCain and Palin
I don't know how they ever thought those two idiots could ever win, still .... :shrug:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:26 AM
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38. I know I half suspected McCain was trying very hard to throw the election.
nominating Palin, the things that came out of his mouth at the "debates," suspending his campaign

but maybe it was just undiagnosed dementia
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:45 AM
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40. Don't forget the escalation of privatization and union busting
targeted on public education.
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