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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:17 PM
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Possible body scan protest (November 24) could clog airport checkpoints in South Florida, elsewhere
Wednesday, November 24, 2010 NATIONAL OPT-OUT DAY


If there were ever a perfect day for a national protest against this infringement of civil rights at airports across the country, the day before Thanksgiving is it. It is probably the first if not the second busiest day of the year at airports. This is our chance to knock a severe dent in the police state and those who profit from it, such as Michael Chertoff.


Stick these bastards who want to condition the populace to submit to a police state, where it hurts. In their bulging wallets.


Actions such as these, when strategically aimed, are where the true power of the people lies.




Possible body scan protest could clog airport checkpoints in South Florida, elsewhere

By Jennifer Sorentrue, The Palm Beach Post
November 16, 2010


WEST PALM BEACH —

Travel experts fear a protest sparked by a single website urging travelers to refuse a body scan at airport checkpoints across the country next week could blossom into a national revolt against security measures.

Travel experts are warning that the "National Opt-Out Day" protest set for Nov. 24, one of the busiest travel days of the year, could lead to checkpoint delays at Palm Beach International Airport.

A website is urging air travelers not to go through new, high-tech body scanners the day before Thanksgiving, which means they'll have to undergo pat-downs if they want to board. Those who consider the scanners too invasive, however, may learn that the traditional pat-down has been replaced by a more intensive one.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended both the scanners and the pat-downs Monday in an opinion piece for USA Today. She asked for cooperation and patience from travelers.

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Protest organizers say most people don't know they can turn down the scan. "The goal of National Opt-Out Day is to send a message to our lawmakers that we demand change," the website, optoutday.com, says.

"No naked body scanners, no government-approved groping," the site says. "We have a right to privacy and buying a plane ticket should not mean that we're guilty until proven innocent. This day is needed because many people do not understand what they consent to when choosing to fly."

.....

The website is also taking aim at the TSA's new pat-down procedures, saying they simply go too far.

"You should never have to explain to your children, 'Remember that no stranger can touch or see your private area, unless it's a government employee, then it's OK,' " the website states.

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Some of the quotes in this article from obviously older individuals are in favor of these body scans and refer to those who would refuse their convenience as "stupid" or "fools".


Well, these people will not be subject to a LIFETIME of this exposure as our children will be now.




Honestly, the selfishness, self-absorption and proud ignorance of people like this turn my stomach.



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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:21 PM
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1. Why are they "obviously" older individuals?
Tired of this type of bias.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:27 PM
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3. Bias? Not so much.
From the article:


Steve Landes, President of the South Florida Airline Commuters Association and a frequent passenger at PBIA, fears that the opt-out protest will cause lengthy delays because the pat downs are more time-consuming than the scan.

"There are going to be lines around the block," Landes said. "I think anybody who would object, you are really stupid."

Landes, a Boynton Beach resident, has a hip replacement that triggers the metal detectors at airport security checkpoints. "For years now, every time I go through, the alarm goes off," he said. "Now they have this new machine. Anybody would be a fool if they said they don't like it."






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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:04 AM
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6. If these people think that going through the scanner is
going to prevent them from being patted down, they are sadly mistaken. If something "suspicious," like a tissue or a rubber band is detected by the scanner, then the person will be patted down with a new enhanced technique on top of being scanned.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:24 PM
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2. If our children are trained to accept such invasions, how will they ever fight it?
We teach our children to never let a stranger touch them in "uncomfortable places". But if they have a badge it is okay? What the FUCK is up with that? It is child abuse. It is civil rights abuse. It is all about political points. None of this is going to stop somebody with a pair of disposable chopsticks and a sheet of 40 grit sandpaper and that's a way deadlier combination than a box cutter. Should we ban people with martial arts training from flying? That pretty well rules out the majority of the military.

I'd like to think this is all about show for political points, but I seriously think it has more to do with who scores the money from the contracts to build the machines. The name Chertoff comes to mind...

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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:38 PM
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4. Imagine the trauma this will cause a
sexual abuse survivor? How can an invasive pat down be done on a woman wearing a skirt?

Janet Napolitano and Obama are making a huge mistake by ignoring the concern of citizens
regardless of political party. This is one of those issues that is going to get blown out of
proportion during the election season.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:00 AM
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5. Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down
Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down

By Molly Grantham
WBTV

November 19, 2010


CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - A Charlotte-area flight attendant and cancer survivor contacted WBTV after she says she was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a pat-down.
Cathy Bossi lives in south Charlotte and has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, working the past 28 for U.S. Airways.

In early August Bossie was walking through security when she says she was asked to go through the new full body-scanners at Concourse "D" at Charlotte Douglas International.
She reluctantly agreed. As a 3-year breast cancer survivor she says she didn't want the added radiation through her body. But, Bossi says she did agree.

"The T.S.A. Agent told me to put my I.D. on my back," she said. "When I got out of there she said because my I.D. was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."
She says two female Charlotte T.S.A. agents took her to a private room and began what she calls an aggressive pat down. She says they stopped when they got around to feeling her right breast… the one where she'd had surgery.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?'. And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that'." ..... Since then, Cathy has contacted the Legislative Affairs Team, a group through the flight attendant union. She says she wants to see a crackdown on these personal pat downs.

"There are blowers and there are dogs out there that can sniff out bombs," she says. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

A T.S.A. representative says agents aren't supposed to remove any prosthetics, but are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic.




Wednesday, November 24, 2010 NATIONAL OPT-OUT DAY


We have an economic weapon.



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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 12:11 PM
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7. Is this cancer survivor going to go through this criminal invasion of privacy


every single time she goes to work on a plane?

And people support this?

My god, what a free nation we are.


Anyone who thinks this is okay and not unconstitutional: "A T.S.A. representative says agents aren't supposed to remove any prosthetics, but are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic."


is absolutely - in my humblest of opinions - a tool.

Land of the Free! It gets more laughable and ridiculous every day!




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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 12:24 PM
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8. K&R
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:46 PM
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9. TSA head is a frightened little man. And idiotic. Withholds plan for invasive tactics from public
TSA chief admits he withheld information on pat-downs

Tony Pugh | McClatchy Newspapers
November 22, 2010


WASHINGTON — Transportation Security Administration chief John Pistole said on Monday that he disregarded internal advice to the contrary and decided not tell the public in advance about aggressive new screening and pat-down procedures for airline passengers, fearing terrorists could try to exploit the information.

In an hour-long discussion with reporters, Pistole said media officials at the Department of Homeland Security had urged him to “get out ahead” of the potential controversy by formally announcing plans for enhanced body searches and the use of new x-ray and radio-wave imaging devices at 70 airports beginning in November.

But doing so would have provided a “roadmap or blueprint for terrorists” to avoid detection by using other airports where the new technology wasn’t in place, Pistole said.

Rather than publicize the changes, Pistole said he made a “risk-based” decision to roll it out first and “try to educate the public after we did that.”

The result has been a firestorm of criticism from lawmakers and passengers who claim the technology and aggressive searches are unnecessary, intrusive and a violation of their privacy rights.

With the Thanksgiving travel crush beginning on Wednesday, several groups are urging fliers to boycott the new procedures on that day, when millions of people will jam airports to travel for the holiday weekend.

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These G*#%@*& F'(&$^@# IDIOTS.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:51 PM
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10. Well, well it shows that you were a field agent
for the FBI...

and not aware of public relations.

And no Mr. Pistole, they are not a deterrent... at this point they are going... ah SNEEZE, and watch STOOPID Muricans... entertaining...
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 04:22 PM
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11. K&R
They need to get the message that this will not be tolerated.
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