robertpaulsen KNEW Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's

and the world will know very soon

Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here: http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf

AQ Khan and The Libby Trial? Part III-by Larisa Alexandrovna
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=95288&mesg_id=95288

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off to work, I'll catch up later tonight! :hug:

in a mosh pit with Condi!!

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If she really had "rock star" appeal, Ted Nugent can have her!

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Yes you did

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Sorry about that. I'll see what I can do to fix it.

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in today's world events. You might get smeared as delusional.

Hahah....don't worry, bud....plenty of us know better and will get your back AND applaud your diligent efforts to open more eyes.

We have a winner !!!

Runner up goes to what Joe Wilson said at a speech when I went to hear him speak last year.

He related a story of how when he and "hogwash" were working under poppy's administration, "hogwash" was sayin' well . . .um. . .er. . .snarl. . . "hogwash" and Wilson would come in, having far more REAL experience and familiarity as an ambassador in Iraq and he'd debunk all "hogwash's" "hogwash" as being. . .well. . ."hogwash."

So "hogwash's" vendetta goes wayyyyyyyyy back.

Maybe I'll start calling Pinky and the Brain. . .smirk and snarl for a while. But I still do so like Pinky and the Brain.

Cheney to have Libby leak it to the press...

this is after the CIA TOLD THEM NOT TO.. because Plame was undercover in a weapons of mass destruction case that involved Iran

Then again, Cheney is incapable of telling the truth, whether verbally or on paper. Remember "Or did his wife send him on a junket?" As if he didn't know.

I mean, I only wish I could get a junket to Niger... but, the waiting list is so long, I have to settle with going to Orlando or Vegas or Hawaii.

I wear my Niamey Hard Rock Cafe T-shirt with pride. ;)

Bush's Iran-for-Khan Deal

http://www.democrats.com/node/2727

Thank you for your research and for everything, robertpaulsen and seemslikeadream.

There's so much crime and so little time... to read ALL OF IT.

Also, kudos to Peace Patriot for work on the same topic.

Thank you, robertpaulsen!

Some of the actions of the admin wrt to the outing of Valerie Plame simply for revenge just didn't make total sense to me. It makes eminently more sense if Cheney was "killing two birds with one stone" in that he was able to cover up his tracks re A.Q Khan and getting revenge was a side "bonus".

The ultimate slight-of-hand undone.

Rumsfeld opposed the Agreed Framework of 1994. It is more likely that he played a role implementing the interminable delays in breaking ground and laying the foundation for the nuclear reactor site.

People are mixing up apples and oranges when it comes to nuclear power and proliferation. Nuclear power is capital and thus represents economic and political power. In the case of a country such as N.Korea, the electrical power deficit and dependency on foreign imported energy was crippling its entire national infrastructure, industrial and agricultural. The agreement to furnish the light water reactors in 1994 was accompanied by agreements to furnish fuel oil as well to help alleviate N.Korean energy deficits. ABB, prospectively breached the agreed framework by failing to meet the 2001 milestone on construction of the foundations of the reactors. It was obvious by then that the US had no intention of meeting its obligations under the agreement. To do so would undo the iron grip of the economic embargo placed on N.Korea by the U.S., meant to topple the regime, even if it involved contributing to the mass starvation in that country.

Comparatively, Iran is swimming in energy. Yet, the huge capital investment in nuclear electrical power would free up a correspondingly huge amount of petroleum products for exports and unleash a cash flow that would empower Iran, economically and politically, to a higher level. Israel would be left behind Iran in terms of relative political and financial influence in the mideast and around the world. In fact, should Iran develope peaceful nuclear power plants, its future of increasing political and economic might is virtually assured, unless it is militarily attacked.

The impact of nuclear weapons is insignificant compared to the political and economic impact of peaceful nuclear power plants. Peaceful nuclear power plants generate huge amounts of power, cash flow and commerce every day. Nuclear weapons are not intended to be used, ever. They sit in a vault unused. The only ramification of their use is the assured anihilation of the user. Nuclear weapons do not generate cashflow, develope commerce, power industries, or generate further compound economic developement and capital investment.

The political and economic significance of huge power generating installations is simply bypassed in the mainstream analysis of why unsupported charges of nuclear weapons development have been made agaisnt Iran. Power is well, power.

The US participated in Iran's development of nuclear power years ago, and profited from that participation. Now this admin twists the facts to set its new agenda for the middle east.

The PNAC nuts targeted Iran for its oil and for its threat to US power (all kinds). PNAC's intent was to insure the superiority of US control over the middle east and to either destroy or undermine Iran's advanced civilization, with its enormous oil reserves -- which stands in its way.

If we do to Iran what we did to Iraq -- we will never recover our sense of honor as a country.

I also fear that that we've earned the hatred and mistrust of the middle east for thousands of generations to come.

Add to that the fact that we've spread depleted uranium dust all over Iraq, which will blow in the wind for billions of years -- makes me deeply ashamed and sick at heart.

It's almost too painful to think about.

And I absolutely agree with you that this distinction is blurred purposely by the neo-con hawks when it comes to Iran.

My point is that Rumsfeld is trying to have it both ways in North Korea, much as Cheney has it both ways with Iran. With one hand he admonishes North Korea as being part of the Axis of Evil, i.e. a threat to America. With the other hand, to quote Chris Floyd, he "was trousering the proceeds from a $200 million deal to send the latest nuclear technology--including plenty of terrorist-ready "dirty bomb" material--to the rogue state of North Korea, Neue Zurcher Zeitung reports". http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd03042003.html

Did anything illegal occur in regard to this? I'd like to see a full Congressional investigation before I could state yes or no. But I can state absolutely that it was immoral, underhanded and hypocritical.

...that was the problem initially which the agreed framework was designed to mitigate.

The motive to get the plants was macroeconomic for N.Korea, it had nothing to do with surreptitious obtaining of nuclear materials. They already had plenty of that on hand, and the capability to make more.

The alternative to obtaining light water plants was to go back to the Russian technology, which they already have. In any case, "dirty" bombs is a bogeyman which is of no appeal to N.Korea which needs nuclear explosive devices if you seek to attribute a nefarious pattern to the transaction. Lightwater technology is less useful for this purpose than what they already had on hand.

I'll give you a motive on both sides: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Just to be clear, I'm not saying they sold them a dirty bomb. You may very well be right about it being a bogeyman. I'm saying the transaction itself is suspicious on the face of it, not just because of the characters involved, but because we're talking about the potential for abuse. Obviously, I'm not the only one alarmed by this, my sources aren't necessarily convinced this is on the up and up either.

There was no intention to go through with the ABB obligations. It was hoped that by interfering with nuclear developement in N.Korea, the intractable economic problems and famines would bring the regime down. This is an example of private parties, republicans, out of power, interfering in the elected administration's conduct of foreign policy.

I happen to agree with the other points made in the initial post, why limit your credibility by pursuing a tangential theory which is factually unfounded? Rumsfeld didn't negotiate the agreement, Albright did. It was Carter's idea initially and Clinton adopted it. My opinion is that Rumsfeld, Bush, and other neocons did everything they could to undermine the executive agreement which prevented war in 1994, and purposely brought us again to the brink of war with N.Korea. Isn't that bad enough?

to the fitzgerald doubters to just wait and see what he does....looks like he is doing the same thing that he did here in illinois with ryan. we owe a lot to the guy who appointed fitzgerald.

they blew the whole middle eastern spy network to cover the invasion. is`t it treason yet?

I just got through the first link thoroughly. :wow:

Now I'm seeing double. I have to bookmark so I can read the second link tomorrow...after I try and replenish some brain cells.

robertpaulen and seemslikeadream... you are inCREDIBLE!!

Nothing is what it appears on the surface in this series of scandals. Nothing. To really understand what has been happening, one needs to step away from the corporate media, and look for other sources of information as a guide. RP's essay is a wonderful guide.

the real neoKhan

"BBC: Pakistan nuclear kidnap foiled"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2689760

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I was hoping he would have mentioned it yesterday.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

from my files...September 25, 2004 NYT op-ed about Mr. Khan...
now archived..if you want the full article..pm me..i have it complete..fly

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/25/opinion/25kristoff.html?pagewanted=print&position=


Twisting Dr. Nuke's Arm

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Khan-Gate: Bush Cutting Pak Nuke Slack in Exchange for Bin Laden Search
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF



The New York Times > Opinion > Op-Ed Columnist: Twisting Dr. Nuke's Arm

September 25, 2004 OP-ED COLUMNIST


snip:
If a nuclear weapon destroys the U.S. Capitol in coming years, it will probably be based in part on Pakistani technology. The biggest challenge to civilization in recent years came not from Osama or Saddam Hussein but from Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb. Dr. Khan definitely sold nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, and, officials believe, to several more nations as well.


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American intelligence experts haven't been able to interrogate Dr. Khan, and Mr. Musharraf claims that the U.S. has not even asked to do so. "Let me put the record straight: nobody asked us to be allowed to question him," Mr. Musharraf said.

President Bush apparently did not ask for that direct access at his meeting on Wednesday with Mr. Musharraf, and it's clear that the administration is not pressing the issue. Why? Because Mr. Bush in this election season has another priority: getting Mr. Musharraf to help catch Osama

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An interview with Senator Ahmad is a reminder that the alternatives to Mr. Musharraf could be worse: Mr. Ahmad indignantly told me that Osama had nothing to do with 9/11. He suggested that it might have been a joint operation of the U.S. government and Mossad.

So which other countries would Dr. Khan implicate if we could interrogate him?

IS THERE ANOTHER LINK ACCESSABLE??

Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here: http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf

WON'T OPEN FOR ME...

AND THANKS SWEETS FOR ALL YOU DO!!

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Just copy and paste it into IE and it should open just fine as long as you have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your system as well. :D

http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf

Which I was able to open 30 seconds ago. Let me know if the link is OK:

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/

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Earlier, I couldn't access it. Later I could. Don't know what's up with blogger.

I just got on. Good luck!

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Stay tuned, I'll have more in February.

I wish I could read faster....so many links in this thread! :applause:

I love it!!

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but our DUers are the best.

getting Valerie and her co-workers out of their jobs as it does Joe Wilson. Her group were right on top of Cheney and his dirty dealings with Khan...of course Bush and Cheney intended to x out any attempt by the world to censor or try Khan so they maneuvered Pakistan to render him forgiven and immune.

If I'm not mistaken?

Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html

her operation.

""… A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, “There was a major policy shift” at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to “back off ” from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, “follow the money,” was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die.""

http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

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