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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:25 AM
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ACLU collecting stories of TSA screening experiences.
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 01:30 AM by woo me with science
*Thank you to Bill O Rights for posting this in another thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9627535). It needed its own OP.



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Nearly 1000 testimonials so far.

http://www.aclu.org/passengers-stories-recent-travel/

Are you outraged yet? Is this YOUR American government?



Testimonials from the ACLU website regarding new screening procedures:

I opted out and was sexually molested in public. The method used to search my body was on par with a sexual massage by a stranger of the same sex. My penis was touched by a man. My anus and groin were rubbed by a man. My scalp was rubbed by the same person. How can this be acceptable...? These TSA agents are not qualified to deal with the psychological or ethical responsibility of this technology.
- Joe in New Mexico

I was visibly upset and when he started to fondle me inappropriately I yelled "I want to see your supervisor!" I asked (emphatically) if he was legally allowed to grab my genitals and the supervisor said he was. After fondling my genitals he groped my buttocks and told me to have a good flight.
- Allen, Nebraska

In and around breasts, both arms and legs, inside of legs, up to and including genitals (although I clenched the top of my thighs to limit the officer's groping. Legs a second time, but from the rear (where her hand ran up my bum crack). Entire inside waistband of pants, both from the front and rear. Lifted up my hair (already in a ponytail), inside collar of shirt.
- Sharon, Massachusetts

The pat down was so invasive that the woman doing it stuck her thumb through my jeans into my vagina, significantly more than simple resistance. She cupped each of my breasts, and ran her hand inside the waistband of my jeans.... I am upset, humilated, degraded and feel abused and criminal, when I am guilty of nothing.
- Janet from Maryland

The TSA agent used her hands to feel under and between my breasts. She then rammed her hand up into my crotch until it jammed into my pubic bone.... I was touched in the pubic region in between my labia.... She then moved her hand across my pubic region and down the inner part of my upper thigh to the floor. She repeated this procedure on the other side. I was shocked and broke into tears.
- Mary in Texas

In the 4 times she explored the area where my inner thigh met my crotch, she touched my labia each time, and one pass made contact with my clitoris, through 2 layers of clothing. I told her I felt humiliated, assaulted and abused.... In my work as a nurse, if I did what the TSA did against a patient's will it would be considered assault and battery, and I did not see how the TSA should have different rules.
- Chris

This is the most humiliating experience of my entire life. Having another male on his knees in front or behind me and feeling my private areas. And in full view of other passengers. It is a disgusting sight. I now can not sleep due to the thoughts of these agents on their knees feeling my private areas.... I have never, ever been so humiliated and will never, ever fly as long as this policy is in effect.
- Ron Wilson, California

I was shaking and crying the entire time. I was begging them to hurry up but they kept stopping and telling me to calm down. It is impossible to gain composure when a stranger has her hands in your underwear. A crowd gathered and watched and I never felt so humiliated. After it was over, I ran into the ladies' room where I vomited and cried until my plane was boarding.
- Melissa, Massachusetts

While in the "private room"... the agent inappropriately touched my genitalia (more than once) and made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. The agent also pulled down my shorts (about halfway), and I had to ask the agent to let me pull them back up. I was inappropriately touched, groped, rubbed, massaged and sexually harrassed. The procedure was violating, degrading, invasive and humiliating.
- Scott in New Mexico

The TSA agent did not give me the option of going through the screening machine. She put her hand forcefully in between my legs and took it all the way up into my genital area. She then pressed on my breasts just like a doctor would during a breast exam. She then lifted my dress and put her hands inside of my leggings around my waist.... It was so rough that I felt the effects of it throughout the day.
- Dina Pember, Kennesaw, Georgia

4 other male and female TSA agents watched while she ran her hands up and down my body, starting with my hair and then going all over, including my breasts and vaginal area.
- A physician, Michigan

This new procedure was absolutely humiliating. She touched my limbs, my torso, my breasts, and rubbed my vagina with her fingers three separate times. I might have understood one rub. Three rubs was NOT acceptable. My pants were thin cotton.... As soon as I left the security area, I began to cry. My husband and I had spent one of the best weeks of our lives together for our honeymoon, and it was destroyed on the way home.
- Tiff, North Carolina

I was with two strangers, one of whom now had both of her open palms moving slowly across virtually every part of my body. She barely moved them as she groped both of my breasts. And most disturbingly, her hands karate-chopped their way a full two inches up into my vagina through my slacks. She performed this maneuver not once, but twice: once from behind me, and then once again, standing/bending in front of me.
- Alex, Washington state

The TSA agent squeezes my thighs and runs his hand up until they touched my testicles on both of my legs. This was done in full view of everyone in line. This was very uncomfortable, humiliating and seemed very unnecessary. If given the choice, I will do everything in my power to drive rather than take any commercial flights if this is the new standard of TSA screening.... I do not feel safer. I feel violated....
- Max, North Carolina

I was the only female in a crowd of men. Even though I was not next in line, I was called over to the body scanner. As I got closer to the scanner, I could clearly hear him say "got a cute one, some DD's." ... I was appalled and decided at that point to "opt out" of the scanner.... I was then put through the pat down procedure which I only can only describe as sexual assault.
- Caitlin, Connecticut

The female TSA agent did not advise me of an alternative and after she directed me through the scanner she conducted the "pat-down" WITHOUT my permission or WITHOUT warning that she would be making direct and forceful contact with my genitals FOUR times! I felt sexually violated and yet afraid to protest for fear that I would be put on some kind of no-fly list or miss my flight.
- Kim, Hawaii

Simply, I was sexually assaulted. My breasts were caressed in an almost amorous manner. And on the second canvassing of my groin, single-finger pressure was applied to my labia majora - the plane of which was near-broken, during which the agent made a wildly off-color remark.
- B. from Maryland


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:32 AM
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1. Ok here is the deal
if I did any of that as a medic, I'd face a court...

A doctor, same deal...

This is sexual battery, wake up
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:34 AM
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2. Why is it part of procedure to grab the testicles?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:50 AM
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3. They are reaching for the resiliency
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 01:51 AM by nadinbrzezinski
the same reason they are grabbing boobs.

Problem is... some pastic explosives have some give...

They are also looking for things that do not feel right... alas an actual prosthetic for a cancer survivor has a different feel.

This is the undie bomber, and even doing this, he could have gone through....

You asked...

And a person with a prostate problem, aka medical, will also feel off.

Oh and goes without saying. THE ONLY reason they should be able to do this (yes it does have a place) is WITH PROBABLE CAUSE and this should be done by a TRAINED POLICE OFFICER... preferably with a warrant.

Some folks will still defend this since they've been frisked... this is not a frisk.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:01 AM
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4. Why isn't this in court?
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 02:01 AM by LisaL
Why hasn't aclu filed a lawsuit over this?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:04 AM
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5. I am sure the ACLU's case is coming
but there are already SEVERAL cases in the courts...

As you learned with Delay justice takes time.

They should, and I am not a lawyer, file an emergency STAY... problem is it's thanksgiving, so they will not be able to file until Monday if they do.

All this will go into the file.

And when they do. I will prepare another Amicus on this ... on what I know from treaties we are violating with this.

UN Convention on Human Rights... and with any foreign national, the Geneva Convention...
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:06 AM
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6. I only know of one case where a guy filed a lawsuit, but since
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 02:06 AM by LisaL
he hasn't undergone either a pat down or scan I find it hard to believe that one will go anywhere. Seems like a lawsuit needs to be filed on behalf of someone who actually underwent these enhanced screening procedures?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:12 AM
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7. The Rutherford Institute has filed
on general fourth Amendment grounds.

http://www.technewsdaily.com/lawsuit-filed-over-airport-scanner-privacy-health-concerns-0993/

http://epic.org/privacy/airtravel/backscatter/

http://www.rutherford.org/KeyCases/TSA-Scanners.asp

Those are the cases we know SO FAR. We will see more. This battle just began... and I will not be too shocked if arguments for an emergency stay are done within a week. All those complaints are the body of that.

Np I am not a lawyer, not even a paralegal, but having read enough case law... in some ways it works the same everywhere.
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Bill O Rights Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:03 AM
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14. There are NUMEROUS lawsuits moving forward but the media is talking about them
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Bill O Rights Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:01 AM
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13. The POSSIBLE UNDERWEAR BOMBER HOAX
We can't allow ourselves to believe that there is NOT AT LEAST a possiblity that the government staged the U/B event to propagandize us. Read the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdF7SX5DgBA&feature=related

KURT HASKELL EYEWITNESS TO THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER

Kurt Haskell was a passenger on Flight 253 and witnessed the Underwear Bomber being “escorted” onto the plane in Amsterdam by a “Handler” aka Covert Ops agent. The U/B was allowed to go through security without a passport and board an International flight headed for the US.

There are other passengers that state that the U/B appeared drugged or trance-like and that “another passenger videotaped the U/B the entire flight.” And they also state that after the U/B obtained 3rd Degree burns on his genitals and legs, he appeared completely expressionless.

Our Government has a long, long history of lying to us about a variety of things, from staging hoaxs like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, to the lies that they told us about WMD’s in order to get our support for the invasion of Iraq. If they would lie to us about those things, do you really think that they wouldn’t lie to us about this?

WE MUST NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT/TSA TO COMPLETE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE 4TH AMENDMENT. OUR VERY FREEDOM IS AT STAKE.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:42 PM
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19. I will not go that far
Since there are people who do want to kill us.

Not just abroad by the way...we got a militia problem, for example.

But our security establishment sucks at...being pro active and this is not part of being proactive either.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:42 PM
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20. I will not go that far
Since there are people who do want to kill us.

Not just abroad by the way...we got a militia problem, for example.

But our security establishment sucks at...being pro active and this is not part of being proactive either.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:26 PM
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17. Wow I didn't realize they were not just patting down but actually squeezing and rolling the balls
Around. That's something you wouldn't even want your doctor to do much less some TSA agent in the middle of a public area.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:43 PM
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21. A cop could, with a warrant...which defenders are missing.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:05 PM
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22. I was just reading where some TSA agents were actually getting inside peoples underwear.
That is too much. Are they authorized to do cavity searches too?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:21 PM
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23. TaKe with grain but
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 02:21 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Somebody called Hartmann with story of one. He ad a concealed weapon permit. That was back in '04

And what these guys are doing goes well beyond...I did that I'd face jail time...

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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:15 AM
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8. Hooray! The ACLU is on it. Hopefully, this will be the last thread on the issue.
Because I can't fucking hide the fucking TSA threads fast enough.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:16 AM
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9. It won't be
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:17 AM
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10. Ugh... I know.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 05:52 AM
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11. i am gonna do what i did when cops searched me like this
as a teenager, try to pop a woody in their hands, act gay, and say something like "ooo boy, you wanna go to to the bathrooms and get a littly frisky???" with a bat of the eyes;.. most of them will be freaked out by that kind of shit

seriously women search women and men search men but what about gay and lesbien people who have to get felt up by the same gender of people they have sex with???
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Bill O Rights Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 06:56 AM
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12. Thank you SO MUCH for helping spread the word about this!
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 07:29 AM
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15. Hopefully they do something
with all these outrages rather than just collect them.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 11:28 AM
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16. Kick. nt
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 12:34 PM
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18. Is this what our soldiers died for?
Egregious, unnecessary, stupid, indefensible
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:25 PM
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24. This is wrong. That said, the homophobia runs deep for many
That said, this is wrong.
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