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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:07 PM
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Soldier Loses Legs: Family Begs for Money
On the news today.

Poor kid had his legs blown off. In hospital in Germany, will survive.

Family resorts to raising funds so wife can go see him in hospital.

WTF?

The bankers get a bailout and a soldier's wife has to beg money?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:14 PM
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1. I weep for this country
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:36 PM
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2. Although almost all Soldiers are routed through Landstuhl Regional Medical
Center (LRMC) in Germany prior to return to the U.S., families are strongly advised against
traveling to Germany to see their Soldier. This is due to the fact that most patients only
remain in Germany for a very short time before being returned to the U.S. and it is very
likely that the Soldier would be on his/her way home before you could get a flight to Europe
and arrive at the hospital. Only in extreme circumstances, such as a very seriously ill or
injured Soldier who is not expected to survive for long, are families brought to LRMC. In
these cases, the travel is arranged by the Army and you will be notified as such.

Your first chance to see your Soldier will most likely be in the U.S. Prior to leaving
Germany, all patients are scheduled for arrival at the next hospital in the line of treatment.
For most patients, this will be Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC) in Washington,
D.C. There are some patients, however, who will have a different destination hospital based
on the level of care that is required for the given injury or illness. Sometimes, the destination
hospital may even change en route due to a change in the patient’s condition. For these
reasons, even if you know when your Soldier is due to arrive back in the U.S., you are
advised to not begin travel until the destination and initial length of stay is confirmed. There
are too many stories of families traveling to Washington, D.C. only to arrive and find out that
their Soldier was sent to another hospital or only needed to stay for a few hours and then was
sent somewhere else. The Army and your Rear Detachment will be able to confirm your
Soldier’s destination hospital and the practicality of your traveling there and advise you of
the best course of action.

Once your Soldier has arrived at a medical treatment facility that is amenable to your
visiting, the Army will arrange travel orders for the designated next of kin and/or caregiver
and up to two other family members/designated persons. These orders are called
“invitational travel orders” (ITO) and will entitle you to such benefits as paid airfare, housing in
military lodging facilities or paid hotel stays, and per diem allowance (money for food and
incidental living expenses). You are STRONGLY encouraged to wait for these orders prior
to conducting any travel to see your Soldier. That way, you know you are going to the right
place, at the right time, and will not incur any undue financial hardship upon your family by
having to pay for your own travel and expenses. These orders are also the way that the
destination hospital knows you are coming because they keep track of the orders and, by
doing so, your travel details. The Division and your unit’s Rear Detachment personnel will
assist you with obtaining invitational travel orders and making your initial travel
arrangements. Remember, even though it may seem like waiting for the orders is taking a
long time, it is by far the most efficient and financially beneficial way to see your Soldier
while making sure you receive the focused attention you deserve upon your arrival.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:52 PM
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3. Well
Isn't that special?

No worries, eh? The little lady will be fine and dandy. The Army will take care of everything, right?

Meanwhile, the bankers are getting big their fucking bonuses again.
That is the POINT.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:32 AM
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5. Actually, attempting to use ignorance of military procedures to score political points...
isn't very special at all.

That is the POINT.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:42 AM
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7. Now now...
If folks didn't have their spasmatic hate they would deflate into a pile of goo....
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:02 AM
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9. One can dream.... n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:38 AM
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10. Dreamer here
Dreaming that a soldier who sacrifices two legs makes more money than any banker who sacrifices nothing.

I also dream of a society that understands real values and makes certain those values are put at the top.

In other words, the solder and family should be taken care of first, and the bankers left begging for money.

Can you tell I am the son of a soldier?
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:27 PM
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11. Thats great...
... the point is that you are spinning it for a false sense of outrage.

When I get the left half of my skull blown off in Afghanistan I want to make sure that my wife is waiting for me at Walter Reed instead of passing me in the air as she goes en route to Germany.

I am an actual Soldier so get off your high horse.... Just cause my dad was an accountant doesn't mean I know squat about it.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:55 PM
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12. Good for you
Did you ever stop to think about this?

The guy is laying there with two legs blown off. The best thing for him would be to see his wife.

She has kids and a job. She has bills to pay. Her husband is going to be in a hospital for a long damn time, and where is the money coming from to pay her bills when she has to be away from her job?

Did you even think about that? Seems as if you just wanted to spew that hateful blurb:
"...you are spinning it for a false sense of outrage".

False sense of outrage? WTF?

The bankers rake in millions of dollars and live the high life, and this poor soldier lies there with two blown off legs, and you think I have "..a false sense of outrage"?

You can just imagine what I'd tell you to your face, mano-mano.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 05:49 AM
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13. Aren't you a cute little angerball...
You choose to ignore the facts stated to keep hissing yourself up into a fit.

Also, yes I can imagine exactly what YOU'D tell me to my face.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:26 AM
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15. Good.
Keep thinking of what I'd tell you, day in and day out - 10, 20 times a day. Maybe it will sink in?
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 08:05 AM
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14. Did you ever really stop to think?
He's not going to be in Landstuhl long enough for his wife to get there.
The best thing for him is to get stabilized and ready for transport to Walter Reed where he can both receive the medical care he needs and see his wife.

I realize that the wife may have a job, but the soldier has a job, too.
His paycheck does not stop just because he is laid up in the hospital.
In fact, the sooner this wife can calm down and listen to what her Casualty Assistance Officer is trying to tell her (aside from explaining the paragraphs I quoted above) is that she needs to immediately complete and submit a form SGLV 8600 for Traumatic Injury Protection Under Servicemembers' Group Life Insurance (TSGLI) for $100,000. That is where the money is coming from to pay her bills when she has to be away from her job.

I am still confused as to what role your "banker" plays in this scenario...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:38 AM
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16. Bankers role
Bankers are making a killing while the soldiers get killed.

How much a year does a soldier get paid? And what is a soldier's potential sacrifice?

Now compare that with what the bankers are receiving and what is their potential sacrifice?

Who stands to gain the most from the soldier's sacrifice? The soldier, or the banker?

Who's making a killing these days, and who is getting killed?

In the meantime, this soldier's family feels that for their own protection they must beg for money to keep what is left of their family from totally going over the cliff. Sure, the DoD has big promises and procedures in place but at the same time the billionaires are getting a huge tax break and the soldier's country is going broke.

Still confused?

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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:14 PM
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17. My friend from college sells plumbing attachments...
... and makes more than I do too. Should I hate his guts?

Is this based on an hourly rate or salary as a whole? Should I include overtime to know who to despise?
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rakeeb Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 05:12 PM
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18. Bankers role?
The branch manager of my bank does not appear to be on the DoD payroll or any other federal gov't payroll.

Are you referring to the arcane injustice that there are career paths that ar realtively safe and high-paying, while others are more risky and lower-paying?

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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:27 AM
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4. The United States goverment has done this shit to veterans during and after every war.
Civil War veterans had to fend for themselves.

WW I veterans, ditto.

WW II veterans, ditto.

Korean War veterans, ditto.

Vietnam veterans, ditto.

GW I veterans, ditto.

Iraq veterans, ditto.

Afghanistan veterans, ditto.


Does anyone see anything common here?
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:41 AM
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6. Third paragraph of response 2 says the wife will be flown, at gov
expense, when the service member arrives at a suitable medical site.

Inasmuch as there is no guaranteed length of stay at the intermediate sites, including the facility in Germany, he may or may not be there at the time of the spouse's arrival.

Looks like a prudent plan.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:01 AM
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8. I'm in no way saying that family is being dishonest, but FWIW
These days I'm VERY skeptical when some random person or family (i.e., not affiliated with some researchable organization or larger cause) goes on the local news in a heartbreaking fundraising plea...

Without going into too much detail, I got burned by that once awhile back...The student's schoolteacher was even interviewed alongside her and I even sent an e-mail to the news reporter to get more supporting info before scratching out a check (It wasn't a big check, but it was money I desperately needed elsewhere), but I was too gullible to add some kind of money-back caveat if the student didn't meet her fundraising goal...
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