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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:53 PM
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"You think you're so clever, classless, and free
but you're all fucking peasants as far as I can see." John Lennon.

I have crossed a line. I can no longer feel any politician who does not acknowledge the class war being waged against the working class. Until then, I cannot throw myself into the path of the behemoth that corporations and the ultra-wealthy have transformed into. It will have to crush under its own weight now; it is too big to stop. I hope many others can avoid being dragged into destruction.

*depressed, really*
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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:55 PM
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1. I hear you (nt)
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:57 PM
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2. "Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV." Yep. nt
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:02 PM
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3. "Losing Lennon" to air on CNN December 4-5
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:05 PM
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4. I have come to realize that what we are seeing now
is pretty much the way things have been throughout human history. In almost every society of any size, for most of recorded history a small ruling class -- typically, but not always, a monarchy -- evolves, and everybody else remains poor and powerless. Like Hobbes once said, most people's lives are solitary, nasty, brutal, poor and short. People, like other animals, seek power over their territory and they don't want to share it. Attempts at democracy have been made, and they work for awhile to some extent, but it seems like the natural monarchical instincts of the human race eventually take over and the little guy gets screwed. Even Communism, in theory a system where everybody had equal power over their society, was twisted by Lenin and Stalin to turn the old USSR into a miserable totalitarian hellhole. You don't need a monarchy to kill your democracy -- you just need a bunch of rich people who can buy politicians. Like now. I don't know if we can fix this.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:11 PM
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5. I sincerely think "they" and "we" will have to reap what we have sown.
We will have to burn and rise again.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:17 PM
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6. Flowers of the Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9hEMA_lYDs

Paine and Pierce and Robespierre, Juarez and Danton,
Luther, King and Lumumba dead but far from gone
Lenin, Cleaver, Jesus too, outlaws in their nations,
Revolutionaries all, dreamed of liberation

God is up in heaven his agents here on earth
The church has said that this man rules, he's best because of birth.
But what's that noise down in the street, who dares to shout and sing?
With all his courtiers at his side, who dares to touch the king?

Old man get some soldiers, keep them close at hand
There's a fire in the country, there's a flame come to the land
Seven thousand loyal troops, in ranks they stretch so far
With seven thousand well armed men, no one can touch the czar.

Louis watch the prisons, send the goons around
Is that Paris burning, is the Bastille falling down?
And where are all the mercenaries - paid for by the king?
Have they joined the mob you say, doesn't money mean anything?

Old men get some soldiers, keep them close at hand,
The seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land
And guard yourself most carefully with military might.
For plants that cannot bloom by day must flower in the night.



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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:18 PM
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7. The Citizens United decision put the oligarchy on steroids
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:20 PM
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8. +1
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:20 PM
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9. STEROIDS?! Hey, maybe Congress will investigate!
They like that sort of thing
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:22 PM
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10. +1000, +1000 more for using Hobbes
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cyborg1966 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:23 PM
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11. Monarchies...
Except that constitutional monarchies (the UK and Commonwealth Dominions, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) are countries who do a lot better job at not pulling the rug out from under their own than this "free republic" has ever done.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:45 PM
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13. But those are constitutional monarchies.
The monarchs' roles are essentially ceremonial; they don't have much real power over the operation of the government. That power is held by a parliament or other elected legislature, and the constitution, not the monarch, creates the supreme law of the land.

Technically, so does our constitution, but I don't think the founding fathers anticipated the rise of an oligarchy capable of completely corrupting all branches of government.

Or maybe they did. Franklin, when ask what kind of government they had created, said, "a republic -- if you can keep it."
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:37 PM
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12. Gimme Some Truth
I'm sick to death of seeing things
From tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of Tricky Dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
It's money for dope
John Lennon
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:58 PM
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14. When the American Empire falls, it will take most of us with it.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:39 PM
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15. Well you can make it up the ladder to the wealthier classes still
Of course you have to learn to smile as you kill...

Heartless Psycopaths rule now you know !

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