Dem leaders adopt Bush tactic of "Lying makes it so".

Congratulations to the Democratic leadership. You just bought yourself a used war. And make no mistake, you now OWN this war. It is yours, and we here at ICT have changed the title for you from the "Bush Civil War" to the "Reid-Pelosi Civil War". After all, from this day forward every single death, civilian or military, is your doing. You had your chance to stop Bush, you chose your political careers, careers that were in NO danger (until now), over the lives of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. You looked at the vast, unmitigated cluster-fuck that is the illegal war in Iraq and said, "I want me a big ol' piece of that!"

In South Africa during the 80's, there was a quaint little practice called "necklacing" which was carried out against government collaborators, real or imagined. It involved placing a car tire filled with gasoline around the neck of a bound victim and setting it afire. It is a grisly, evil method of execution.

The Democratic leadership has just committed the first act of "self-necklacing", hanging the war in Iraq around their neck, and setting it ablaze.

But I very much doubt the American people see it that way. In fact, the way the American citizens view it, the Democrats gave them exactly what they wanted - a bill that funded the troops but set deadlines - and Bush vetoed it.

So no, the Democrats in no way, shape, or form own this war. Not by a long shot. And no amount of anti-war zealotry can change that.

Maybe by deadline you mean "benchmarks" and those were given to the Democrats by the Administration who desperately wants to Privatize Iraqs Oil which coincidentally enough is the very first "benchmark". Also should be noted the clause at the bottom which says Bush* doesn't have to abide by any of it if he doesn't want to...

I was referring to the one we already passed. The one the American public wanted. The one that Bush vetoed.

And by vetoing THAT bill, Bush continues to own the war. And I feel very safe in saying that most people see it that way.

They should have kept sending him the same bill until he signed it. Your theory is interesting and certainly the one the spineless leadership hopes we will buy, but such is not reality.

Nice spin.

And I can't believe how many here are spouting that drivel.

Not one here has yet explained how "single veto = no choice but unconditional surrender".

Actually, most of them never even try- they just yell "we don't
have the votes to override" as though the phrase trumps all discussion.

Are we supposed to think that every veto in history was followed
by giving the Prez exactly what he wanted? What nonsense! Who's
spreading this idea, FoxNews?

Seriously, WTF?

what is at stake. These idiots go to Washington and immediately start talking like politicians instead of human beings.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x972145

Please. They have already forgotten who the new American Idol is, you think they will remember that little detail?

Most people pay so little attention to what is going on they won't remember the bill bush vetoed. But this one they passed yesterday will be remembered.

will be mentioning how the Dems "caved" every day for the next two years.

what he demanded.

Every person I have spoken to has said the Dems caved, both liberal and conservative, so I don't know which American people you are talking about.

:wow:

it seems that not wanting people to die is now a bad thing.

for LIES and for HALLIBURTON.

Fuck me if I don't want vets to get shafted by the selectively dysfunctional VA.

Fuck me if the sight of torture doesn't horrify me or if the sight of leveled towns and refugees doesn't scream "Freedom!" to me.

Anti-war zealot? You bet your ass I am.

Maybe YOU can sleep at night by counting appeasements to Junior's war crimes. I can't.

And we won't even raise the question of what those 10 million dollars a month OF OUR MONEY could do for us instead of getting Iraqis and Americans DEAD.

Anti-war zealot? You betchur ass.

The notion that the war is just another issue,
just one among many, and it's all just business
as usual.

We elected them, so they gave us that first "100 hours".
Now it's time for us to shut up and let them get back to
the same-old same-old.

And anyone who thinks the war is somehow important, urgent,
or pressing enough for them to take any REAL action to end
it is just a loony wild-eyed "zealot" who "doesn't understand
how things work".

And by the way, go choke on your "anti-war zealotry" bullshit. If you think that speaking out passionately against the war is "zealotry", there are plenty of opportunites for you as a neocon shill. I hear William Kristol is looking for a deputy assistant ball-licker. You sound perfect for the job.

despite the fact that the majority of our legislators still support an exit from Iraq this year. There will be other bills which include the timelines which were removed from the supplemental. All it takes is for legislators to vote in sufficient numbers to end the occupation and the troops come home, money and all. In that, it is still the republican obstructionists who are standing with Bush, in the way of bringing our troops home - not those legislators who let this funding bill pass.

I do not advocate "burning down the party", I advocate the truth. We must now support primary challengers to the leadership and replace them with people who WILL do what is right, not what keeps them drawing a paycheck.

They had the majority. They caved to Bush. All the "obstructionists" could do was prevent the veto from being overridden. All the Dems had to do was keep sending him the same bill until the GOP cracked under the growing unpopularity of the war. Instead, they got on their knees and kissed Bush's ass. Then they pretended they won a great victory, using the tried and true GOP tactic of "lying makes it so".

They rely on us to keep voting for them even when they betray us. Maybe you want to support these pieces of shit, but I have no intention.

At this point, if people continue to play the "lesser of two evils" game, then this country deserves extinction.

And if the Democratic Leadership Council believes we will roll over for their BS, they don't know us.

I now intend to encourage recruitment of primary challengers to the "leadership" and will send money to these challengers.

What we must do is make them pay. Personally, I intend to FAX these people every day with the number of dead Americans they are responsible for. NEVER let them forget that we will NOT forget.

There are our service people. There are Americans dying every day from this war driven policy that have never served.

I've been trying to total up the available numbers and I can't. KIA, WIA, Iraqis, contractors. It must be close to a million people by now.

This is Memorial Day weekend. WE WILL NEVER FORGET.