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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:05 AM
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Jim Cramer on MJ says if we don't get serious about the deficit the IMF will be here within 10 years
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 02:08 AM by dkf
Apparently the Honeywell CEO was on CNBC talking about this. Cramer said we used to talk about putting the debt on our kids and grandkids but he doesn't think that will be true anymore.

If the IMF forces austerity measures on us what can we expect?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:08 AM
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1. Sue Bush for the whole he dug for us.
They are just trying to get rid of SS and Medicare.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:12 AM
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2. Um, what the deficit commission is proposing ARE austerity measures
I love how people talk about "austerity measures" in Ireland and Greece, as if it's this mystical thing. Austerity measures are nothing but increases in taxes and reductions in government spending - or just what the deficit commission is proposing. The difference, I guess, is that the IMF will propose austerity measures at the barrel of a financial gun, so to speak, making them a condition precedent to receiving bailout funds or emergency loans. In this sense, there's no choice for those accepting the funds. But make no mistake about it: the deficit commission is proposing austerity measures. That's what they are, and where we are.

Besides, since when has Jim Cramer ever been right about anything?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:25 AM
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4. I think the Honeywell guy gets credit for this.
The commissions recommendations don't look at current retirees though while the measures in Europe are for now. There will be no time to prepare.


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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:19 AM
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17. The chained CPI the commission proposes will take care of current retirees. COLA's will keep up...
with the cost of living even worse than it has the past 27 years.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:36 AM
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6. Hey at least social security isn't a sovereign wealth fund with real investments.
They can't raid it like they are demanding the Irish do. Good luck to them holding our non negotiable debt.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 05:20 AM
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23. +4
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:24 AM
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3. I imagine that since we owe so very much to China - maybe we will be forced to
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 02:24 AM by truedelphi
Offer up many of our resources to foreign companies.

So the water that flows basically freely from your tap might someday soon cost you six bucks for a bath tub full.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:29 AM
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5. Probably too expensive to transport.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 02:38 AM by dkf
Oil is starting to get pricey again also.

But they may benefit from our coal or natural gas.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:43 AM
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7. China would not have to have the water transported to them.
That's the beauty of the idea.

They would simply become the owners of this resource, which we would still use.

Only we would be like the people of Bolivia, when Bechtel helped their government out, by "privatizing" the water utilities there.

In Bolivia, it is thought that each Senator was paid about one million bucks (US.) for the deal to go down. Only because Bolivians rallied in the street, after they realized that Bechtel was making water way too expensive, did Bechtel give up and leave.

Here the Chinese would have to come up with five or ten million bucks per Senator, but I am sure they'd do it for having water rights.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:13 AM
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12. Ahhhh. I see. You may be right.
Then we can be the peons working and paying them.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:21 AM
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18. I am pretty well convinced of this. I mean, otherwise why would China continue
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 03:21 AM by truedelphi
To invest here?

Why would they continue to have their prisoners build us our cheap toys and cheap stationary supplies, tools, hoses, cables, furniture, clothes, decorative items et al, if not for the fact that our country has a great deal of resources, all of which can be had for the taking.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:51 AM
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8. jim kramer: wrong during the bubble, wrong after the bubble, wrong now.
he's a pimp.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:56 AM
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9. Do you see no scenario where we need the IMF?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:00 AM
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10. i see that jim kramer was a stock pimp during the bubble & pushed that bubble up to the eve of col-
lapse.

he's a lying pimp and a grifter & grafter, & no one with any sense listens to anything he says.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:08 AM
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11. I take Cramer with a grain of salt too...
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 03:10 AM by dkf
But even El Erian thinks the bond vigilantes might come here. Roubini too.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:14 AM
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13. then why not post what they said instead of kramer the pimp?
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 03:17 AM by Hannah Bell
ps: not sure where you got the "bond vigilante" meme. but i doubt you really know the implications.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:32 AM
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19. Isn't that how it begins?
The bond vigilantes attack, the spreads widen, then who wants the debt? Then the IMF shows up.

And Roubini talked about the vigilantes in May along with El Erian and Bill Gross:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sovereign-debt-vigilantes-put-europe-on-notice-2010-05-17

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-19/roubini-says-u-s-may-face-bond-market-vigilantes-update1-.html

Nov 21, 2010
Bond Vigilantes And The US Government Bonds.
"The bond vigilantes have not woken up for the US treasury market—yet."

Nouriel Roubini - November, 2010

http://nourielroubiniblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/bond-vigilantes-and-us-government-bonds.html

So I have been concerned about the vigilantes but what threw me for a loop was what could happen after the bond vigilantes strike. I guess it never occurred to me the IMF would be the ones dictating how we cut spending. I've always hated the deficit because of what it does to our kids but now I realize it really will fall back on us.





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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 05:01 AM
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22. We're experiencing DEFLATION.
This morning’s CPI data along with several other inflation reports shows that inflation remains non-existent.

This is still a disinflationary environment and a 10 year treasury at 3% is clearly reflective of that.

The 50 bps correction is nothing more than the bond market righting itself after the QE2 hysteria. It does not reflect some existence of “bond vigilantes”.

And it certainly does not reflect higher future borrowing costs for the USA.

http://pragcap.com/bond-vigilantes-back
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:19 AM
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16. Nope.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:17 AM
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14. Argentina 1990's is what we can expect. And I think the IMF extracted promises of austerity from...
all the world leaders at the G-20 in Toronto.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:18 AM
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15. LOFL!!! This is the reason I don't listen to that dumb ass. US = 800 pound Gorrila on a BAD day...
...IMF = small horse.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:35 AM
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20. How long do you think we can stay there?
Are we so arrogant we think we can borrow funds and take on more and more debt with impunity?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:39 AM
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21. The deficit crisis is false hysteria being ginned up by the oligarchs to force austerity on...
the masses in order to steal the few pennies they haven't gotten their greedy fucking hands on, yet.
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