Black Soldiers were "caged" while fighting in Iraq: Rove emails found

Investigative reporter Greg Palast says 4.5 million votes will be shoplifted in 2008, thanks largely to the “Rove-bots” that have been placed in the Justice Department following the U.S. Attorney firings. Being the guy who uncovered the voter “purge lists” of 2000 that disenfranchised black voters, he’s worth listening to, even if the mainstream press chooses not to.



JD: Well, it is a direct mail term, but it’s also a voter supression term. Do no senators know that, not even Committee Chair John Conyers?

GP: Conyers knows — and he knows me. He’s keeping his powder dry. The others are clueless.

Caging works like this. Hundreds of thousands of Black and Hispanic voters were sent letters — do not forward. Letters returned as undeliverable (”caged”) were used as evidence the voter didn’t live at their registered address. The GOP goons challenged these voters’ right to cast ballots — and their votes were lost.

But whose letters were caged? Here’s where the game turns to deep evil. They targeted Black students on vacation, homeless men — and you’ll love this — Black soldiers sent overseas. They weren’t living at their home voting address because they were shivering under a Humvee in Falluja.

more at:
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/24/justice-department-scandal-greg-palast/

via:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/25/9218/81157

More proof with this. Denying men and women in uniform the right to their legitimate votes.

They trash talk our vets, and screw our soldiers and vets with benefits and the hospitals.

I think the republicons hate honorable troops and veterans because so many republicon leaders are shameless CHICKENHAWKs and War profiteers.

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:grr: :grr: :grr:

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here's a kick

what a bunch of treacherous evil bastards - hell's too good for them

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If it's against the law, where's the investigation? Oh, I forgot. The foxes have taken over the henhouse. Bringing charges against Republicans is a sure way to get your career shitcanned if you work at Justice.

we joke, but I think they really believe that.

is that they very well may be fakes, even if whoever BBC talked to wouldn't come out and say it. As the article states:



What we do know is that Goodling testified that Paul McNulty misrepresented something very important to the Committee. DoJ was aware of problems with Tim Griffin's nomination. Goodling, hereself, had briefed him that Griffin was involved in "caging". While Goodling's testimony obscured her own understanding of the meaning of that term, it shows that Rove's former head of research was appointed US Attorney despite known violations of federal election laws.

If Griffin was involved in racially-based voter suppression (of course he was, he was Rove's chief of "research"), that is very serious stuff, indeed, and we will hear more about it. Regardless of whether the 500 e-mails are real.

Do you even know how Palast got those emails?

that the emails could be a false flag operation. Think Dan Rather, and the hit he took on the Sixty Minutes piece. :shrug:

So, you're telling me that all those wacky kids @ the RNC sent fake emails to georgewbush.org? How did they do that? Did the all spoof their servers? Do you have any idea how hard it is to fake the Headers of an incoming email? Do you really think they are that clever?

I believe the emails to be genuine, but at the same time, I could believe a Herculean effort by Rove et al. to plant disinformation is in the realm of possibilities. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it would be pointless, because the second they were shown to be fake, there'd be no denying who created them. It doesn't make sense for so many reasons... 100% real.

and bogus hard copies of e-mails. It can very easily be done with WORD or by setting up an internal proxy server.

However, downloading emails, containing hundreds of fake Headers, from a server is a hell of a trick. :)

This is the kind of thing that paralyzes us in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Somehow if we discover proof it must all be the manipulation of Karl Rove.

We need to play an offence game.

Palast's reporting has been solid. He is an investigative Journalist, not a TV figurehead. I don't know whether or not I respect Dan Rather but there is definitely a difference between the men and the evidence.

Palast says he got them from the guy who runs Whitehouse.org, a gag site, from someone who (it's assumed) confused that site with WhiteHouse.gov

Palast is taking a risk, even if some unnamed person at the White House doesn't deny they're authentic.

I don't know if it's because I'm personally familiar with the technology, and with the story, but it's ridiculously obvious to me that these can't be fake. The effort to cull all these names, script conversations, include links, forge headers, dates, and so much more, then send them all to your enemy, for no real benefit, is absurd beyond belief.

They aren't fake, lol.

Given the names, dates, email addresses, sources, links, attachments, and other header information, these are decidedly real.

in 2001..(I think)..and the media said "ho-hum"..old news..move on..get over it..Sore Loserman etc".

:)

Here's one thread from back then: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1165947&mesg_id=1167012

Even the most radical people (not pointing fingers at anyone here, lol) will second-guess the painfully obvious, because "if it was true, it would be bigger news", knowing full well the opposite is the truth. The bigger a scandal, the more it will be ignored, or contained; we can try to think up all kinds of excuses, but that is the harsh reality.

Am completely horrified. 2008, stolen already?

I don't think they should be doing that. :sarcasm:

Damn few of us I imagine.

Tim Griffin replaced Bud Cummins in Arkansas... Not AZ

Thanks for clearing that up.

I was outraged to the point my friends and family had to literally intervene to keep me from driving to the repuke attorney's home, (the person who challenged my voting rights), and shoving the letter up his ass. I still have his name, number and address. Fortunately his little tactic didn't work with me as I was living at the address in which I registered to vote, and as a result, received the letter challenging my right to vote in '04. There are days my friends, that I still have visions of myself smacking that little son-of-a-bitch in the mouth, or stomping a mud-puddle in his ass, and walking it dry. Just a little piece of friendly advice to those who might engage in voter suppression tactics like this. It's your name and address on the return portion of that envelope, and that address is legitimate. If these fuckers try to pull this shit again in '08, I predict there could be some nasty backlash. Fuck with my rights once, shame on me. Fuck with my rights again, and let's just say, I know where you live...

I think you should post the info you have on this usurper. It is time to call out these crooks and expose them to the light of day.

So, please please post the info here here and everywhere....

Fuck it though, I'll just block out my personal info, and scan it next week when I return to work. I will post it for all to see. I still have it because I want to be reminded what bastards Republicans are.

It seems to me that anything that is mailed directly to you is now your property and you can do as you wish with the mail.

Why would anyone sue you over a "direct mail-out" (Monica's term), why would THAT upset anyone???:shrug:

Why should they feel the need to be so defensive, by suing you for exposing their scam?!?!?

Monica: "that it just -- that it's a direct mail term that's used by vendors in that circumstance."

Who ARE the VENDORS???????

I look forward to your post exposing the scum bags. Just in case I miss it please purdy please PM me with the info....

Fear not, these dogs will press the issue until we're looking at them over iron sights.
Or perhaps a running chain saw.....

My husband and I reregistered because since the presidential election, we'd moved. We both vote permament absentee, due to our schedules. I called and spoke to the registar's office and crossed all my "t's" and dotted my "I's". Strangely, my husband's ballot, which he didn't call for, showed up on time. Mine NEVER DID. My husband is registered independent and I am a registered Democrat. Well, I walked my cute little Caramel behind to the polling place, gave my name and confirmatory imformation and asked why my absentee hadn't showed. They looked on they books and told me that I wasn't registered as absentee!! I found out that thousands of democrats and a not a few independents had the same thing happen to them in Sacramento, Placer, Eldorado, Yolo and Sutter counties. I believe 1001 percent that this was exactly what happened in at least 2002, 2004, 2006 and they will try to do the same thing in 2008. We have to be proactive and like you said, stomp a hole in their asses if they try it again!! BTW, welcome to DU EnviroBat..Right Glad to have you here!! :hi:

When I moved to Los Angeles from New Jersey, I reregistered - through the DMV - before the 2004 election. Registered as a Democrat. RECEIVED my voter info book and polliing place info. When I went to vote, I wasn't on the rolls! They had my name and address in another book, but that one didn't qualify me to vote. I had to vote with a provisional ballot. I WAS FURIOUS.

happen to Dems. As i said earlier, Himself received his ballot and all pertinent material. I didn't get a bloody thing.

this isn't new information but still has American media picked up on it? Why is Tim Griffin still USA for Arkansas? I wish some prominent attorney (RFK Jr and Mike Papantonio come to mind) needs to get a hold of one of these disenfranchised soldiers and take this to court and seek HUGH!!! penalties from the RNC, Tim Griffin, Monica Goodling, kkkarl and other "opposition researchers".

The American media is so tame on criticism of the Bush Administration. It was like 24/7 attacks on The Clinton Administration in the media. The media would give credence to the wildest alegations against Clinton, yet, with Bush, clear evidence of wrong doing is overlooked. The contrast is startling. Unless there are steps taken to bring back an unbiased media there is little chance for the American people to understand what has happened to their country. I'm exhausted by the entire thing.

It really is true, and it's gotten so far beyond disgusting, that I don't understand how anyone questions this. They not only don't give a fuck about the truth, they consciously obscure and/or bury it. It's the rule, not the exception.

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The GOP is a gang of thieves posturing as an American political party.

... where white folks didn't do that at any available opportunity.

you, Greg Palast for uncovering this diabolical scam to steal our votes for the 2008 election. How amazing to ferret this out..WOW!

Fuckin' rove can't win fair and square so he has to get his pigsty ass thinkin' on what he can steal.

They wanted to sent them to Chicago from Ft. Hood, TX to attack Anti-War Demonstrators at the 1968 Democratic Convention!!

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For when? Next Nov. when we might have a consensus perhaps?

I understand, but I'm tired.

If you survived the caging, purges, long lines, and challenges, there was
still a 3% chance your Kerry vote was switched to a Bush vote. See this proof:

In a large subset of Ohio voters, 1 of every 34 votes in the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio, a 6% Kerry-Bush vote-switch is evidenced. This is blatant, and yet the authorities have yet to respond. The US Attorney for Ohio has been informed, and the FBI has also. Meanwhile, Gonzales said, at the Press Club speech, that DoJ takes "voter fraud" seriously. I guess he really does understand the difference between "election fraud" and "voter fraud" after all!

Read the article:
he 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

"I define "vote-switching" as major candidate cross-voting. One major candidate cross-vote changes the election margin by two votes; as one major candidate loses a vote the other gains the cross-vote. Vote-switching is distinguished from cross-voting because impact on results varies depending on for which candidate cross-votes are counted. Vote-switching results when the two major candidates are collocated in the same ballot order position, either from ballot switching between such precincts or voters cross-voting at such locations....."

Here is a thumbnail of a deskpicture-size screen capture illustrating the evidence.
The article introduced the notation. Full-sized image URL: jqjacobs.net/politics/images/cuyahoga_precincts_subsets.jpg



There is a PowerPoint introduction to the article too:



http://jqjacobs.net/politics/vote_switching.ppt

and then they move up the ladder until none of are votes can be verified. They have had many election cycles to perfect the crime. This might seem like an insignificant issue to some here, but when I voted in the last presidential election, there were folks asking me for my birth date. I asked if it was necessary to vote, nope but they sill wanted it. I asked the women in charge of the voting place if she could remove my birth date from their list. She did,but next they will move my birth date,ss, address, blood sample, etc..........