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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:06 PM
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Do you get paid for "snow days"?
So my tiny little company (with plenty of money to afford it- I've seen the financial reports) re-reversed the "Inclement Weather" policy today.

Earlier this year they issued a policy stating that if the office was closed we didn't get paid OR we could take vacation/sick time. Then they reversed it on 2/1/10 - I had the policy in my handbook- saying that we would get paid if management decided that we couldn't work.

Today a new policy. If the office is closed and locked by their decision we will not be paid.

I signed the policy and handed it in. I then very nicely told our HR person that I thought it was ridiculous and that I had never worked anywhere that even consider that.... let alone reversed a reversal on a policy.

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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:07 PM
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1. Nope. . .
Couldn't resist :)

We don't have snow here!

Good luck!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:09 PM
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2. BMWs cost a LOT these days, Bub..
How can your bosses afford them AND the vacation to Aruba in February of they have to pay you guys for snow days:)

seriously.. It sounds like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing there...or they are weirdos:)

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:15 PM
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8. A very nice but odd work culture
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:28 PM by underpants
complaining is not in consideration. Not because of heavy-handed-ness but because this is a company run by a woman who is smart AND is doing an incredible service for people.

You just don't complain there. I have a bit of a relationship with the HR person and I was professional and direct but I probably pushed it a bit just by saying something. But then someone clearly said something earlier this year- thus the change.

I know they are going to change it. They have made some strange decision of late, literally foisting themselves into stuff that they should let fly. Especially considering what they pay. I've seen the numbers.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:10 PM
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3. No I don't.
Why should I get paid if I don't work?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:10 PM
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4. Well, you know, I'm sure they were very concerned about the uncertainty of their tax breaks. n/t
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:11 PM
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5. I've been at my current job a year and a half now
Both my parents work here (my dad for 22 years, my mom for 14) and they could never remember ever getting paid due to inclement weather. Last year we got 4 hours weather related pay due to snow, but it had never snowed like that in over 50 years here. I do not expect to ever get inclement weather pay again, since it's such a rarity.

If I decide to not come in for a day I can take vacation time or accumulate absent time which I have until the end of the year to make up.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:13 PM
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6. Why did you feel compelled to sign the policy and hand it in? Is that mandatory?
I bet there is no policy dictating you have to do that. They used to come around with stuff trying to get us to sign all the time before I retired. Safety instructions and other crap. I told them to kiss my ass. I ain't signing nothing but my paycheck. And I never did either.

Don
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Moonbat2 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:35 PM
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17. they must
really miss you.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:40 PM
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20. Signing is not considered agreeing with it
at least that is what I have been told .... I am sure in a court of law I would find out that I am a simple rube
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:14 PM
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7. We practically never even have days with snow. I love Florida. nt
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:15 PM by Obamanaut
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:15 PM
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9. I guess I'm lucky
I do get paid for them. But I'm union.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:16 PM
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10. When I was working, I was told I could take a "personal day" for a "snow day."
In other words, if I felt it was too dangerous to go out and drive 20 miles to work, I was free to take one of my personal days to not come to work. Nothing about my personal safety, mind you. Nooo, it was all about "my" decision not to come to work. screw my misgivings about weather/traffic conditions...

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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:00 PM
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33. dupe
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 10:01 PM by NutmegYankee
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:00 PM
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34. I have the Same problem/policy. nt
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:18 PM
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11. Time and a half if I work
Straight pay if I don't.

Maintenance for a school district. "Essential" personnel.
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:19 PM
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12. In 50 years of
working in Minnesota, I've never seen nor heard of getting paid for snow days. If people can't get to work because of snow, they can usually take a day of vacation or a day without pay. The companies I've worked for have expected everyone to get to work on time in all but the most severe weather.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:39 PM
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18. I am in Virginia
not to be confrontational but we laugh at NOT getting snow days. I know I know you have snow all the time...but we don't. Hell you should see how people freak out around here because it rains.
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:22 PM
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13. We do, but it would have to be pretty damned bad for them to close our office.
We're pretty tough when it comes to snow here in the Chicago area. Then again, I never missed a day of work after the famous Chicago blizzard of '79, the only person in my office who didn't, including the owner of the company and he only lived about 3 blocks away from the office.

Truth is, if I was snowed in somehow, even if the office was closed, I'd jump on the VPN and work from home. I can do my job remotely and I've got too much going on not to.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:23 PM
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14. Anyone ever experienced a private sector office closing because of weather?
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:04 PM
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35. It's happened here, rarely
I live in a Ohio and we've had a couple Level 3 Snow Emergency days that resulted in the office closing, even in the private sector.

However, I worked at one place that was in a county that was under a Level 3, but the one of the streets that ran by the parking lot was in the neighboring county. They had the maintenance crew lay down pieces of plywood for us to drive over the lawn, and therefore avoided the Level 3 county. Nice.

My current company sent out an email explaining the differences in snow emergencies, "Level 3: the roads are dangerous to drive and you may be arrested for being on the roads. Contact your manager to determine whether you need to come to the office." Huh? Guess that means we'll be taking vacation days for Level 3s.

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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:21 PM
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37. Personally,
getting arrested would be a great way to make a point...
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:20 PM
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36. Yes
I worked for a department store and they closed for a blizzard in 1983. I've worked for private and public and nothing has ever closed except the store. I currently work for a hospital and am considered "essential," so I have to be there or get charged a vacation day. Not a sick day, which I have plenty of. The only thing that really burns my butt is that if I have to come to work in two feet of snow I wish they'd pay me enough to buy a Subaru or something so I could get there safely.
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ctaylors6 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:25 PM
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38. Yes. I'm in Texas and remember about 3 days over the years
2 resulting from ice storms and 1 from a snow storm. IIRC, the ice storms came in early morning so no time to get roads cleared. Snow day was record snow for Dallas
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:33 PM
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39. Yeah, last year we got a few hours paid off
The only other time I remember a business I worked at being shut down was due to either power being out after a massive spring storm (it was out at the dealership for a couple of days) and at a Starbucks when the water main in the city was damaged and water was shut off. Oh Six Flags closed a couple of times in my three years there for ice/snow and severe rain, and if the park isn't open we didn't work.

A few years ago, at the dealership when we had that big dust storm come in, the power was out all day and we were still there, therefore we still got paid (well I did, I was hourly, the salesmen couldn't sell anything and the mechanics couldn't work on anything so it was a waste of day for them).

Last year at the company I'm at now, is the only time I've ever been paid outright (not using vacation time) for bad weather, and that was due to record snow.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:34 PM
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40. dupe
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 10:34 PM by tammywammy
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:23 PM
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15. I don't even have a job.
Kids these day get snow days here, but I never got any as a kid. The schools were always open, but back then they were all neighborhood schools and most kids just walked and there wasn't anyone getting bussed to the school I attended.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:23 PM
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16. i worked several places paid 8 if we went to work then left after 4 hrs
all the others it was no show, no pay, and if was a blizzard time/impassable roads it was an excused absence. i think there were just a few times the factories i worked at closed down due to weather.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:39 PM
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19. What's a snow day?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:45 PM
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22. Snow day
it is a day when we in the South proclaim weakness to the almighty Mother Nature GOD and use it as an excuse to play in the street (or any hill we can find) with our kids and eat alot of food and .....well let's just say there is "nap time" ;-) and eat and be all manly clearly the driveway and eat and then watch the snow trucks create a wall of snow for us to GO BACK OUT and clear and then eat and throw snowballs and then eat and then got to bed.....and then go to the YMCA in basically the same conditions and hit the treadmill.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:49 PM
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23. We don't have those in So Cal.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:55 PM
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24. Right, you have freeway chases
A line from a sitcom that I forgot the name of.
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:41 PM
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21. I don't get paid anything... but no, I've never had a job where I got
paid for snow days.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:57 PM
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25. No. I don't get snow days, sick days, personal days, paid holidays or any of that.
I work in construction. If you work you get paid. If you do not work, you do not get paid.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:10 PM
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26. I just found out today that
our practice will not pay for New Years Day. :eyes: Funny thing is they don't give you an option to come work that day. It is simply a day without pay.

They claim budget cuts and that religious holidays Christmas/ Good Friday are more important to the "team". It's not going to kill me, but it pisses me off.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:18 PM
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27. Where I used to work, we got penalized
We had the worst snow storm in decades last year and it was announced as such the day before it came, giving everyone a heads up.

Under attendence policy, if you called in for any reason you were given points (and not good points). The day before the storm several of us told management that if it was going to be as bad as expected, we would not be in. Technically, under the policy, if you gave at least a day's notice of not being able to come in, you were not supposed to be given points.

They responded by threatening us with points despite being told a day ahead of time and despite the city was about to be paralyzed by the snow storm.

My response: My life was more important to me than getting points. Especially my daughter's life since she would have been the one having to drive me to the train station.


We were allowed to us Paid Time Off pay if we had enough hours in our PTO bank. If we didn't have enough hours, we would not get paid.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:35 PM
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28. Yes
In my 30+ years of employment, I've always been paid for snow days.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:44 PM
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29. I get paid.
But some of my coworkers do not. It's kind of a mish mash, depending on position. Higher paid employees = paid snow days.
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Zing Zing Zingbah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:51 PM
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30. Yes, but I also work from home on bad weather days...
Never had trouble with losing power for long where I live so it has worked out so far. I can also adjust my work schedule if needed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:54 PM
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31. Yes.
I'm retired.
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Rochester Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:54 PM
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32. The union rules say that...
...if we show up for work we get paid for 2 hours even if it's a rainout (or snowout), but not if we can't or don't get there, also if they call rainout before the day even starts and call everyone up and say don't show up then we wouldn't get paid even for showing up. If it's pouring down rain at starting time most of the time the boss just calls rainout and we're gone, but every once in awhile there will be one who's a dick and holds everyone around to twiddle their thumbs for 2 hours.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:38 PM
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41. Snow is rare here, but we do get "administrative pay"
which comes out of the main institutional budget, not our department, for days like inclement weather days, power outages, or other unexpected issues that cause us to stop work.

After hurricane Ike, we got paid for two months via administrative pay, until they finally worked out the details on how much of the campus would be able to function, and whether the state would support rebuilding.
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