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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:12 PM
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Hmm...now I'm wondering...what do the Republicans have to run on?
They got what they wanted on tax cuts, therefore, they can no longer assert that:

1. They are for balancing the budget
2. They are for cutting spending
3. They are for addressing the national debt
4. They are for reducing the deficit
5. The Tea Baggers can no longer claim to be for the "little man." Their fake populism has been uncovered
6. They care about the middle class
7. They don't support the extension of unemployment benefits
8. Claim that Obama is a Marxist, socialist, liberal, commie, Pinko


....

In the short run, it seems as though we lost, but I'm beginning to wonder if we really did in the long term.

Repukes and the Teabaggers no longer have anything to run on.

Think about it...

What say you?

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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:14 PM
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1. So your logic is, if we pass everything they want, they won't
have any issues to run on?


lmao
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:17 PM
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9. no, they hung their hat on the budget and debt but now they're voting to increase both
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:04 PM
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28. they will blame this on Obama.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:08 AM
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34. Just like they did with the Stimulus - which was half tax cuts.
The nit wits only remember "700 billion" and "stimulus" so they think Obama "spent" 700 billion.


And Obama is playing in to their hands again - by calling this an 800 billion dollar stimulus. :banghead:
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:39 PM
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22. Not necessarily about logic. About political strategy. Just asking your opinion on this. n/t
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:15 PM
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2. If anything good comes out of this
its that the Republicans just destroyed everything that involved money that they where going to run on. At least in a sane non Faux news run media controlled country.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:15 PM
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3. No amount of concessions will stop their narrative. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:16 PM
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4. They'll say 'unemployment is 12% and Obama's in charge'
And Obama will say "We can trust the Republicans and do business with them if it weren't for the purity-police Left who want to help working Americans and not slash Social Security".

Nice choice.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:16 PM
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5. They run on their victory over Obama
And it will embolden them.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:40 PM
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23. Will it then be up to us to fight them back?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:06 PM
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30. It could be too late
This was the time to strike them a severe blow, imo.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:16 PM
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6. They can spin
chicken into a fox. Just watch and see.
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donco Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:25 PM
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13. ten four
they can invent boogie-men out of thin air.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:16 PM
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7. the problem is that it''s very bad policy to break the budget to subsidize the wealthy.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:42 PM
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24. Yes. I'm not disputing that. I'm coming from another angle. I'm talking merely about
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 10:44 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
political strategy right now. I'm with you on principle.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:27 AM
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40. I think it's some more of the strategy that resulted in historic losses
during the midterm.

Obama seems to believe that if he champions Republican objectives that it will have a different result than was seen in the mid terms.

I'm not sure if this odd conclusion is the result of a personality disorder, brain damage, or can be chalked up to his being naive, but any way you slice it, it's a threat to our party, our objectives, and our way of life.

I don't see how we can afford to follow Obama over the bipartisan cliff.

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:17 PM
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8. I say they will run on items 1 through 8
You expect the media or some Dems to call them on it? Not going to happen.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:47 PM
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26. Good point. I assume that our pleas for Dems to fight back are moot
because even when we do have the right messaging, the Corporate Media won't air that fight?

I've seem many instances where the Democrats and/or Obama have fought back, giving speeches, and on fire about what the Republicans are doing, but that rarely if ever makes "the news." Were it not for PBS and C-Span, no one could convince me that the Dems/Obama were fighting.

So many people complain that the Democrats aren't fighting back, but many of them are. The Corporate Media isn't airing that fight.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:18 PM
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10. they're going to run on reducing the deficit
but they'll blame the deficit on ss and medicare and every other social service.
and if unemployment is still hovering around 10% they'll win.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:29 PM
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17. exactly
and that's when SS will be destroyed. that is the jewel in the crown, beyond a doubt. they will be rich beyond their wildest dreams if/when that happens. that's when we will take to the streets, when it becomes a matter of eating or not eating for the majority. what do you think the camps were being prepared for?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:18 PM
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11. Now they attack entitlement programs claiming
the debt is has blown up under Obama.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:21 PM
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12. Here's another canard that's about to be destroyed: Tax Cuts For the Rich Create Jobs.
It's about to be destroyed forever and ever.

You know, unless the wealthmongers actually create jobs.

But will they do that? After all, the last thing they want to see is a successful economy under a Democratic president.

And really, it's not as if they even created jobs when there was a Republican-controlled Washington.

But here's the rub .. . they have no excuse at all. They have no uncertainty anymore. A president who's pretty much giving them whatever they want isn't much of a roadblock. At this point, what they're doing is more or less blatant THEFT.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:36 PM
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21. The MSM never did any serious investigating on that. Not for the last 9+years.
I don't see them changing anytime in the near future.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:25 PM
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14. All valid points, ya'll. But I'm going to reflect on this more.
It seems that the day's Corporate Media narrative is that Obama is attacking his base--the liberals. And the Republicans are celebrating with glee as a result. But, the question is whether or not they can continue to call Obama a "liberal" seeing as though he caved on this core, "liberal" issue.

I'm just pontificating on this.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:27 PM
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15. Obama handed them their best platform, on a silver platter
"Vote for us and we'll make those tax cuts PERMANENT!"

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:28 PM
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16. Don't forget they don't care about national security either!
They ficked that one by crying like babies and not signing the START treaty until their corporate paymasters got a 'tax break'?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:30 PM
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18. "Obama's gonna raise your taxes" - GOPer theme for 2012
Count on it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:32 PM
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19. Are you kidding ... they always want more ... Social Security and Medicare still standing?
Total end to the Estate taxes --

Changing unemployment insurance to one week --

Completely destroying anything left of safety nets --

And continuing to privatize government -- ridding it especially of all unions?

You're kidding, right?

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:50 PM
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27. O.K. Calm down. I merely discussing political strategy. I'm well aware that aided by the Corporate
Media, we may not have a chance at all.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:05 AM
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38. The political strategy is "compromise" ....
if not outright surrender --

We've been seeing that for two years now --

Is anyone still watching the corporate-press?

We have to find a way to get through the next two years with Obama

and given the last two, I'm not confident -- I'm very concerned.

Basically, I think we have to get him to announce he'll step down in 2012.


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:08 PM
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45. You said: I think we have to get him to announce he'll step down in 2012
I think we may get our wish after this tax cut debacle. He has absolutely ZERO political capital left. He has squandered so many opportunities. Really sad. He could have gone down as one of the greatest presidents ever. His cowardly demeanor has destoyed any chance of that. Very sad and depressing!!
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:33 PM
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20. Thy will run on keeping the liberal agenda in check n/t
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:46 PM
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25. More money is what they have to run on.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:04 PM
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29. I happen to think you hit the bulls eye.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 11:13 PM by Gregorian
I think Obama sees $70 billion for two years as a price he can pay in order to say "I gave you assholes everything you ever wanted. And now it's my turn.".
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:20 PM
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31. It would be more productive to start figuring out what the Democrats have to run on
From my point of view, very little.
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:24 PM
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32. Beat me to it. n/t
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:03 AM
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33. This won't change their propaganda one bit.
They'll continue to run their "deficit fighter" meme and the MSM will give them a pass.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:15 AM
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35. They aren't 'fact based'. They can run on all of that in bold contradiction of the truth.
And their base will act like it's god given fact.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:24 AM
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36. They will still asert those things and do it with a straight face.
Their constituents will buy it hook line and sinker. They will still call Obama a Marxist socialist or whatever, no matter how good his Reagan impersonation is. All Obama is doing is pushing the right further right. They will keep 2 steps to the right of Obama no matter what. We are losing in the short term and even bigger in the long term when all of Obama's chickens come home to roost.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:33 AM
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37. 1, 2, 3, 4 remain to be seen
both in terms of if and how. But to be clear, there are plenty of other issues beyond the 8 you list, social, foreign policy, environmental, labor, education, regulation, litigation, energy, etc.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:22 AM
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39. I'll bet Boehner is scared shitless.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:51 AM
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41. The republicans can and will assert anything they want.
None of what they assert has to be true. They'll get their talking points, fan out across the airwaves, make their assertions, and the corporate bobble head media will repeat their assertions until the unsuspecting masses believe them to be true.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:53 AM
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42. They can run on the fact that they keep winning.
Even with a Dem in the White House and with overwhelming Dem majorities in the House and Senate.

They just keep winning.

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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:55 AM
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43. compromise with the president...nt
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:08 AM
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44. And there's that. (n/t)
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