Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

FDR was bold and progressive, but he left a lot of people out in the cold on Social Security

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:46 AM
Original message
FDR was bold and progressive, but he left a lot of people out in the cold on Social Security
from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_%28United_States%29




____ Most women and minorities were excluded from its benefits of unemployment insurance and old age pensions. Employment definitions reflected typical white male categories and patterns.

Job categories that were not covered by the act included workers in agricultural labor, domestic service, government employees, and many teachers, nurses, hospital employees, librarians, and social workers. The act also denied coverage to individuals who worked intermittently.

These jobs were dominated by women and minorities. For example, women made up 90% of domestic labor in 1940 and two-thirds of all employed black women were in domestic service. Exclusions exempted nearly half the working population.

Nearly two-thirds of all African Americans in the labor force, 70 to 80% in some areas in the South, and just over half of all women employed were not covered by Social Security. At the time, the NAACP protested the Social Security Act, describing it as “a sieve with holes just big enough for the majority of Negroes to fall through.”


. . . just a reminder that most legislative progress has been historically incremental, even with passage of sweeping initiatives. FDR is the epitome of leadership, yet he was as constrained by the politics of his time as our legislators find themselves today. Actually more so today, as FDR didn't have to get 60 votes to advance his initiatives.

Would FDR find DU as hostile to his historic achievement, as many here today regard the President's own historical health law?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:00 AM
Response to Original message
1. bull fucking shit
Establishing SS buillt an entire new framework from the ground up, which could be built upon.

The POS health care bill PFREVENTS further growth of universal healthcare, it sets in cement the system being based on employer-based private for-profit insurance, and bulds a wall between the public and the most progressive option - that being single-payer healthcare.

There's no fucking comparison.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. exactly
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Was the OP making a comparison between SS and HCR? I'm not seeing it. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. "Would FDR find DU as hostile to his historic achievement, as many here today regard the
President's own historical health law?"

What do YOU think he was talking about?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. And as always in this missive, the fundamental difference is conveniently ignored.
SS was and remains a governmentally administrated entitlement with all that entails. Including the most important distinction, that it is subject to the law that established it.

This bait & switch false equivalency of giving private enterprise the money while it remains private, and therefore outside direct governmental oversight, is a "mistake" that we are only beginning to see hints of the disastrous consequences it will yield.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #1
8. The health care bill establishes an unprecedented regulatory authority for health insurance..
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 01:27 AM by phleshdef
...and it sets the precedent that government takes an active role in assuring people can afford the coverage. Its far from perfect, but to deny that it establishes a framework that can be built upon is short sighted garbage.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. That's like comparing the establishment of the Marine Corp to the
hiring of Blackwater - because, of course, there's an office that Blackwater's abuses can be reported to.

The POS health insurance company welfare bill leaves 30 million people uninsured, and provides NO effective cost controls, so even the 30 million who can now get insureance are not guaranteed the ability to pay for it, or access it.

The only framework that is established is that it is necessary to get your insurance through an employer - which further cripples our economic competitiveness - when it COULD have established the principle that health care (not health insurance) is a RIGHT, that it falls under governmental purview of 'promote the general welfare'.

Instead of regulating private health insurance we should abolish private insurance in any capacity greater than supplemental or cadillac plans. All that private insurance does is make money for the insurance company, and has fuck all to do with providing healthcare.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. The bill sets maximum people under 400% FPL pay for premiums as a percentage of income.
You keep comparing it to your dream bill, which didn't actually have any chance of passing. You should be comparing it to the previous status quo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:01 AM
Response to Original message
2. An outrage! A betrayal! Who can we find to challenge him? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. FDR was pretty much the opposite of what we have now. Consequently, he was Pres. for life.
FDR went to bat FOR the people not AGAINST them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:10 AM
Response to Original message
6. I heard Obama reference that today - I didn't know all this. Thanks for posting. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:58 AM
Response to Original message
11. Kick, Rec. n/t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 01:25 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC