So, in 13 months when Obama again has to negotiate

Jackpine Radical

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:37 AM
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So, in 13 months when Obama again has to negotiate

for Unemployment Benefits, with a smaller majority in the Senate and a Reptilian-controlled House, how much of a cut in SS will he offer for his opening bid? Will Medicare still exist when he's done negotiating?

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ZombieHorde

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:39 AM
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1. I don't know. The voters made a really bad choice. nt

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somone

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:40 AM
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2. He'll beat them good

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Dawgs

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:42 AM
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5. LOL!!!!!

:rofl:

That is so fucking funny!! Thank you.

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Laelth

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:57 AM
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21. That's hilarious. Thanks. n/t

-Laelth

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:05 AM
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25. Excellent.

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Poboy

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:13 AM
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32. Another great poker theme toon. There are at least 3 others that are great as well.

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donco6

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:40 AM
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3. Well, if a 10:1 deal is considered "good", we can see where that leads.

And pretty damn quick, too.

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quinnox

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:41 AM
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4. And then he will say, "I had no choice! The republicans forced me into this"

"I had to wipe out social security, but at least we still have half of Medicare left!"

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TBF

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:42 AM
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6. Opening bid? He folds before it starts -

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myrna minx

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:43 AM
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7. I guess we'll have to give up Social Security in order to extend unemployment benefits

that are a result of the tax cuts for the wealthy. That's some good policy. :puke:

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xiamiam

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:48 AM
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8. why didnt this come to a head before now?

reminds me of the bank bailout..ya know, give us 700 billion by friday or we'll collapse and also sign this document releasing me from all liability/accountbility

landreau said..and i cant find it..that none of the caucuses were contacted for input..this is such bs..ive been over obama since he chose not to stem the foreclosure crisis by reinstating the bankruptcy bill and then the afghanistan surge..but it still feels like a knife is twisting in my heart

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BrklynLiberal

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:51 AM
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12. "knife inthe heart" "I feel like I ate glass" All accurate descriptions of the feelings

that have been engendered since January 20, 2009...

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doc03

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:48 AM
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9. The Republicans have already made it abundantly clear their

number one goal is to prevent Obama from being reelected, number two repeal or dismantle Obamacare and wreck SS and Medicare and all other entitlements.

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:51 AM
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11. Well, at least maybe he'll get another 13 months

in exchange for the SS program. Sounds like a fair deal overall.

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somone

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:52 AM
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14. Only purists would object

of course

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BrklynLiberal

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:53 AM
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16. "But they are open to reasonable compromise"...President Obama

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
:wtf: is wrong with that man?????

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BrklynLiberal

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:50 AM
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10. One of the best reasons to make sure this "compromise" never sees the light of hte President's desk.

Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 09:56 AM by BrklynLiberal

It is the foot in the door for the cutting of SS and probably Medicare...just to name two of the "entitlements" that repukes hate so much.
Cutting back the SS payroll deduction is already a step in the wrong direction. That would make SS appear to be more "unsustainable"..What should have been done was to eliminate the cap on the SS income. ALL income should be SS income.

Sadly, those cartoons with Obama folding before the dealer is even done are all too acccurate.

The man who so entirely out maneuvered that all he ever saw was a blur.

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:52 AM
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13. Outmaneuvered?

Or thrown into the briar patch?

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BrklynLiberal

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:56 AM
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20. In someone's psychedelic dreams

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ddeclue

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:52 AM
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15. Umm he won't have to because we will primary him. That will be his replacement that will have to.

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KillCapitalism

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:53 AM
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17. The compromise is terrible.

The only good thing about it is that it will at least keep some of the unemployed from becoming homeless, starving, or freezing to death during this cruel winter.

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Statistical

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:53 AM
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18. What cut in SS? Why would he cut SS? He isn't cutting it now. n/t

Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 09:53 AM by Statistical

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BrklynLiberal

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:55 AM
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19. By reducing the SS payroll deduction he is adding to the meme that SS is unsustainable.

Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 09:55 AM by BrklynLiberal

Next step for the repukes: CUT SS

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Laelth

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:02 AM
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23. Spot on.

The payroll tax holiday is, and always has been, a Republican plan, and it will weaken Social Security with allegedly "temporary" tax decreases that will become permanent and cause the system (which is now solvent) to become insolvent.

It's a really bad idea.

-Laelth

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:11 AM
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30. Exactly.

Any attempt to reinstate the payroll tax will be a "tax increase," and can be used to bludgeon any Dem who proposes it. Obama is poisoning the well for generations to come. All for a 13 month extension for SOME of the unemployed.

The Catfood Commission's report is already out of the bottle, no matter they didn't get their 14.

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Poboy

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:17 AM
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34. Full agreement with you here. Devious, underhanded, EVIL shit there.

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disillusioned73

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:02 AM
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24. There is some devious shit going down..

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jtown1123

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:12 AM
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31. YES. Thank you.

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KharmaTrain

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Wed Dec-08-10 09:59 AM
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22. The "Told Ya So" Gamble...

Supposedly in two years it will be proven beyond any question that lower taxes for the rich doesn't create jobs. Well knock me over with a feather. Seems the 7 years of no job growth isn't proof enough, Obama needs two more years to make it proof positive. The rising number of unemployed will then become his bargaining chip...and his insulation as if things stay bad he'll be able to blame this deal and say "the rushpublicans made me do it". Or so the gamble goes.

The real tragedy here is how those suffering the worst of times are now a bargaining chip against the rich. It's class warfare and being waged inside the White House.

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disillusioned73

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:06 AM
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26. Quite a gamble..

since the right will spin anything into a sign of growth and these cuts will be made permanent.. BOOK IT.

As far as class warfare is concerned, as I've seen quoted before - it's only warfare when we fight back, and we've been losing for a long time....

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KharmaTrain

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:38 AM
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29. When They Scream It's Not About Class Warfare...

What else has it been since Raygun? It's been non-stop...so much so that the right wing has been able to co-opt the terms on how its defined so that if you dare to utter the term it's "sour grapes".

It's a pity and an outrage that this administration is willing to risk such a gamble, that as you aptly say, could backfire big time. It's time to call this for what it is.

Cheers...

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Jackpine Radical

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:14 AM
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33. Dintcha know, the reason the Bush tax cuts failed to stimulate growth

is that they just weren't large enough? Maybe if we eliminate all taxes on income over $250,000 we can get this economy going.

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BrklynLiberal

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:15 AM
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28. "The rising number of unemployed will then become his bargaining chip"

I think it will more likely become his undoing....BOTH sides will use it against him.

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Life Long Dem

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Wed Dec-08-10 10:08 AM
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27. And you can guarantee the job market or the economy will be as bad?

I don't think you can. So why throw this bullshit out here?

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:21 AM
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35. But..but..by then there won't be any unemployed. The rich will provide them with jobs.

Just like they always do when they're paid off by their collaborators.

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NorthCarolina

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:22 AM
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36. He learned a valuable lesson though. Next time he will START from the position

of extending the tax cuts for the wealthy, and then dare the GOP go ahead and try to trip him up.

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ladjf

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Wed Dec-08-10 11:29 AM
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37. A cruel joke. nt

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