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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:10 AM
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Primaries - I will vote for Dennis - he is the only one who has
consistently opposed this war, wants a peace department, and cares about he people
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:14 AM
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1. Can you explain why we need a peace department?
Personally, when it comes to government bureaucracy, I think that breaking up the Department of Homeland Security is a much higher priority than creating a new department.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:31 AM
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6. I suspect the DHS would be the first to go
Kucinich's Peace Dept is designed to counter the perpetration of violence at home & abroad, and to promote action for human development as an alternative to reliance on reactive responses to problems. I don't know that it's needed in that particular form, but it's a response to a big problem that the US seems to have a hard time addressing coherently.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:37 AM
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9. What does "promote action for human development as an alternative etc" mean?
Could you give an example?

And how in the world do you counter "the penetration of violence at home and abroad" with a brand spanking new department, as opposed to new programs in our current departments? (even assuming that doing such a thing is both possible and proper for the federal government to do).
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:14 AM
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18. It was my rephrasing, but...
That's why I don't know that all those policies need bringing together in this particular form. But it would nail government's colors to the mast, whereas programs can otherwise so easily go AWOL amid all the other programs, policies, initiatives etc.

The human development side seems to embrace US global social & economic development strategy generally. K's absolutely right in identifying failures there as one of the sources of conflict in the world. I think givng that a "peace" orientation is actually a really smart move: why should Americans pay money for others to have a decent future? Peace is a very good reason: people with nothing to lose make poor guardians of order.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:32 AM
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19. I think it would be mean abandoing Military Keynesianism and promoting
New Deal-style foreign policy programs that help build up middle and working class people in developming countries. For example, the US would support building a public school system in Afghanistan and health care programs in Africa.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:40 AM
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11. Because our whole culture is organized around war making
and it's not going very well?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:42 AM
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12. Do you have a vision of what this department would actually be able to do to change that?
Despite what they say, lawmaking can influence culture, but I see that more in the area of civil rights than I do in the area of war and peace.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:52 AM
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24. That's an interesting question. Maybe I can go fish for
Edited on Sat May-26-07 11:52 AM by sfexpat2000
anything Dennis might have said about this.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:17 PM
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25. If you find one, let me know.
Edited on Sat May-26-07 12:19 PM by Heaven and Earth
I understand that our culture has way too much machismo, and that it does cause problems when guys start hosing down the decks with testosterone, but that strikes me as a full-employment opportunity for psychologists, sociologists, and feminists, not bureaucrats.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:18 PM
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26. Here's the Bill:
Legislation Introduced to Create a Department of Peace and Nonviolence

On September 14, 2005 Congressman Kucinich introduced H.R. 3760 (first introduced July 11, 2001) a bill to create a Cabinet-level Department of Peace and Nonviolence which embodies a broad-based approach to peaceful, non-violent conflict resolution at both domestic and international levels. The Department of Peace and Nonviolence would serve to promote non-violence as an organizing principle in our society, and help to create the conditions for a more peaceful world.

Domestically, the Department would be responsible for developing policies which address issues such as domestic violence, child abuse, and mistreatment of the elderly. Internationally, the Department would analyze foreign policy and make recommendations to the President on matters pertaining to national security, including the protection of human rights and the prevention and de-escalation of unarmed and armed international conflict.

The Department would also have an Office of Peace Education that would work with educators in elementary, secondary and universities in the development and implementation of curricula to instruct students in peaceful conflict resolution skills. In addition, a Peace Academy, modeled after the military service academies, would be established to provide instruction in peace education and offer opportunities for graduates to serve in programs dedicated to domestic or international nonviolent conflict resolution.

http://kucinich.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=1564#Legislation%20to%20Create%20a%20Department%20of%20Peace
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:23 PM
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27. I like the establishment of Jan. 1 as Peace Day.
Edited on Sat May-26-07 12:24 PM by Heaven and Earth
New Year's Eve/Day is my favorite holiday, and I'd love another reason to celebrate it.

Ok, this isn't as duplicative as I thought (or, let's be honest, as half-baked as I feared). Maybe there is something to it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:04 PM
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28. I like your idea of it being an interdisciplinary effort.
The whole idea reminds me of a Doris Lessing novel where a whole people is taught to think in different terms. Not "reprogramed" exactly, but taught and encouraged in their development.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:25 AM
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21. This department would try to foster peace in areas such as inner cities
and in domestic situations, domestic abuse, gangs.

http://www.thepeacealliance.org/content/view/20/
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:17 AM
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2. ... a wife with a tongue stud?
Edited on Sat May-26-07 01:20 AM by smalll
Way to go out in the off-season and make yourself even more unelectable, Einstein!
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:19 AM
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3. Dude, you're way off. His wife is amazing!
Dennis is a lucky man to meet a woman who is beautiful, smart, and shares his beliefs, then gets to marry her after just one date. Oh, and that British accent...yum!
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:22 AM
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4. Don't get me started, don't even get me started -
Yes, she's way younger than him, and way taller than him. And their marriage sets up such a strong attractiveness-imbalance that the very fabric of the time-space continuum is threatened. But a tongue stud too? Look, I'm as modern as the next man. At this point, I expect tongue studs on the people who make our frappucinos and the people who make our porn. I don't yet expect them on our First Ladies!
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:26 AM
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5. I do, but then, I'm from the (really) new school.
I want a full-blown goth or hippie chick to be first lady (not speaking of the lovely Mrs. Kucinich here, just in general)!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:33 AM
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7. Well, you already said he was unelectable
So, what's the diff if she has a tongue stud? You're really going out of your way to get worked up over... I dunno what.

If past models are guides, then I suppose if he married a glaring albino frump with a Mt Rushmore visage like Babs, he'd get a cred boost. But alas, he married the woman he loved.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:43 AM
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13. Married the Woman He Loves ... Which Time?
I think he and Ghouliani are neck-and-neck in the Most Married race.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:46 AM
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14. Every time, I assume
Tongue stud giving you the vapors too?
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:19 AM
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15. Naw - Whiplash From His Pro-Lie/Pro-Choice "Correction"
Just makes me giggle to see to how Conveniently Catholic he is - when it's convenient for him. Divorce okay; abortion not okay until literally moments before running for president. What next?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:38 AM
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17. Lucky for you his runs are quixotic, then
Whether or not he's a good Catholic or New Age woo doesn't matter much to me. With the entire field pledging obligatory fealty to a talking serpent mythos, pickings are slim for an atheist. He gives me a chance to vote in the primary for stances on some issues that more closely aligned to the way I'd like to see them handled than the others.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:34 AM
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16. Not only is he unelectable in 2008, he will never get the nomination,
so it pretty much does not matter at all about his wife. Regardless of who wins the White House in 2008 I expect Kucinich to run in 2012, 2016, 2020, and as long as he is lucid and can walk. He is there to stimulate debate and bring alternative ideas to the table, but he won't be elected to any national office.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:35 AM
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8. Maybe what we expect of First Ladies ...
... is reason enough to have one with a tongue-stud. :P
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:26 AM
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22. You don't know too many people, do you?
I work in a professional setting and know numerous people - male and female - who have tongue studs. And, no, I don't work at Starbucks or for a porn outlet.

:eyes:
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some guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:40 AM
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10. and her people
:P

just kidding you on your typo.

I'll vote for Dennis again as well.

:hi:



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Ladyinblack Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:21 AM
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20. Gulianie
Gulianie married a women who stapled puppies for a living. I believe who you choose to marry says a great deal about who you are.

I also like Dennis.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:27 AM
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23. DLC will fight him every step of the way
with every kind of slimy, smarmy attack they can think of. Hopefully the voters will be smart enough to see DLC for what they are. Kucinich gets my vote.
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