Holy Crap: Obama's losing support; Romney would beat him now

There's been way too much emphasis on Obama possibly having a challenger from left in the primary. What if his rightward drift alone puts the GOP in office in 2012?

McClatchy here reports that the president's continued failure to rally independents could ruin his bid for re-election, and a hypothetical 2012 matchup showed Obama getting the support of 44 percent of registered voters and Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, getting 46 percent.


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/10/105105/poll-obamas-losing-support-romney.html


WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's approval ratings have sunk to the lowest level of his presidency, so low that he'd lose the White House to Republican Mitt Romney if the election were held today, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

The biggest reason for Obama's fall: a sharp drop in approval among Democrats and liberals, apparently unhappy with his moves toward the center since he led the party to landslide losses in November's midterm elections. At the same time, he's gained nothing among independents.

"He's having the worst of both worlds right now," said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College in New York, which conducted the national survey. "As he moves to the center, he's not picking up support among independents and he's having some fall-off among his base. If his strategy is to gain independents and keep the Democrats in tow, it isn't working so far."

The poll was taken from Dec. 2 through Wednesday, as the president proposed a two-year freeze on federal civilian workers' pay and cut a deal with congressional Republicans to extend expiring tax cuts — even those for the wealthy, which he'd opposed.

Overall, just 42 percent of registered voters approve of how he's doing his job, while 50 percent disapprove.

Obama's standing among Democrats dropped from a month ago, with his approval rating falling to 74 percent from 83 percent, and his disapproval rating almost doubling, from 11 percent to 21 percent.

Among liberals, his approval rating dropped from 78 percent to 69 percent and his disapproval rating jumped from 14 percent to 22 percent.

His position among independents remained virtually the same, with 39 percent approving and 52 percent disapproving. A month ago, it was 38-54.



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/10/105105/poll-obamas-losing-support-romney.html#ixzz17urjFoj9

When the reality is probably closer to running our weak sell out is giving away the Presidency unless they run Palin or some such joke.

Off to the greatest!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=4653961">Again!:thumbsup:

nt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=546305&mesg_id=546305

But only if you actually believe what you say...

As for why you didn't get too many "bites" on your offer, I think even most of the Obama critics on here don't really want a Republican to win in 2012, we just wish we had someone to root for, that's all.

The brand has to stand for something or else it becomes irrelevant.

at times to the notion that Obama could be damaging his popularity by acting too Republican.

I hope they take a minute and consider that maybe we were warning them because we care.

I surely hope so because we don't have time to fuck around.

-Laelth

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And if that happens, there's no reason not to field a challenge from the left.

A lot can happen in two years.

For Obama to pull this off the whole country will have to move farther right.and that is a very bad thing for real people feeling the effects of capital being amassed at the top.

"For Obama to pull this off the whole country will have to move farther right.and that is a very bad thing for real people feeling the effects of capital being amassed at the top."

I think the country is going to get a quick Refresher Course in "Republican Control 101". They didn't like it so much the last time, somehow they "forgot" during the 2010 election.

We'll see if that happens, but so far it looks like he's wanting to do business with them instead us.

I hope he proves me wrong. But that hasn't been a good bet these last two years.

1) It's too early. 2) The margin of error suggest this isn't statistically significant. 3) Romney is not going to be the GOP nominee.

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it will be someone stronger.

In the case of the other two...this poll reflects sentiments right now. There's valuable lessons to be learned from that. If ignored, that will result in a GOP win in 2012.

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His health care plan makes their base apoplectic. They will be obsessed with electability, however, which gives him a chance. I think he's their best option.

and campaign donors. it's the subject of many Greek tragedies.

:P

Actually I think he is a piss poor candidate, I can't see the Republicans nominating him. His reputation as a "great businessman" is based on the fact that he fired lots of people.

Name ten ACTIONS that he has taken in the past two years that are liberal and progressive. THAT MEANS: serve the needs of the middle and working people and/ or environment over the greed of corporations and the rich.

Ten. List them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony">The TEN ways

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this is garbage.

Democrat who governs like a Republican. Time to purge the DLC from our party and send them to the other side of the aisle where they belong. Maybe Lieberman should form his own party that the Blue Dogs and DLCers can join.

The rightward drift of this administration will have a negative impact on the entire party for many years to come. Many of us experienced this during the midterms with unanswered phones, and doors slammed in our faces. Rank and file Dems feel betrayed and that will take years to heal.

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The election is two years away. Polls like this are meaningless given that time span.

As I recall, there were plenty of warnings more than a year
ahead, but they were dismissed as well. Yet somehow, it
worked out almost exactly as we Cassandras predicted:
incredibly badly.

As will 2012 without a miraculous course change.

Tesha

A lot of people thought the 2008 presidential contest would be between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani. Obama hadn't even announced yet. So I don't think this means much. Romney might not even be the nominee. He has a shot, but it's not a given.

We have no clue as to who they will even nominate, let alone what circumstances we'll face two years from now.

It didn't have to be this way.

Tesha

He's going to have to work hard. Depending on the nominee, it's probably going to be a lot closer than 2008 and he certainly could lose, though I think the Republican nominee will have a pretty tough time making it happen and will need help from circumstances to do so.

My prediction is that Obama will win, but by a relatively small margin. It will probably look more like 2004 than 1996 or 1984. But a lot could happen between now and then. It's close enough to start thinking about scenarios, but far too early to make anything but vague predictions.

2012 is a ways away yet, we will have to see what happesn.

as a whole, without looking at polls, talking to the rich, or triangulating with powerful people.

senate, they are going to have to compromise with the power-block that the Republicans represent.

And no matter how much a president wants to do what is best for the American people they won't be able to enact their policies without that support.

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I don't know why Romney supporters don't support Obama. He's like a Republican anyways.

people will vote for the real Republican every time" Harry S. Truman

Conservative evangelicals will not support a Mormon because they believe Mormonism to be a cult. They will support someone else as will the teabaggers.

From the OP:

"As he moves to the center, he's not picking up support among independents and he's having some fall-off among his base. If his strategy is to gain independents and keep the Democrats in tow, it isn't working so far."

Then later in the post:

"His position among independents remained virtually the same, with 39 percent approving and 52 percent disapproving. A month ago, it was 38-54."

Uh, that's an improvement!

that's the problem with the rightward drift strategy...any vanilla-flavored establishment Republican looks more trustworthy if the basic fight is over how center-right they can be.

From the article:

Romney had the best advantage over the president among independents, preferred by 47-39 percent. Independents break for Obama over Huckabee by 42-40 percent. Palin fares much worse among independents. They favor the president over her by 52-35 percent.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/10/105105/poll-obamas-losing-support-romney.html#ixzz17vGl8eh0

Everytime I hear him speak lately his tone and attitude sounds like a man that has enough and is done with the bull.

numerous times. By the time he's done the only supporters he'll have on "The Left" are the fanboys and fangirls who just love being on his "team" because his speeches make them feel good and because he looks so darn swell in a suit or swim trunks. He knows it. He's preparing to sell us all out, and he'll pull an LBJ then join the Carlyle Group once he's done doing the GOPs dirty work.

Which Romney and Palin are prominent members of.

because of the tax cuts for the wealthy issue.

He obviously lost much of the ultra liberal support (eg, DU) earlier, but that is a small percentage (5-10%) of total liberal support.

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just Country.

...and believing in hypothetical polls.

IMO, he already knows he has no intention of seeking re-election. I honestly believe he hates the job.