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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:23 PM
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How do you motivate people?
For those of you who are parents, how do you motivate your children? For those of you who are teachers, how do you motivate your students? For those of you who are supervisors or bosses, how do you motivate your employees? For those of you who are coaches, how do you motivate those you guide? Surely there must be numerous of these kinds of people here at DU. So what would motivate you? In all of these situations do you get the best results by angrily berating people, calling them names such as cowards, spineless, gutless wonders? Why on earth would anybody think this is the best method to get the desired results from our Democratic members of Congress? They are people too. Are you so helpless that all you can do is shake your fist at them in anger and calling them names, vowing to get even. These are Democrats, not Republicans. Save your vitriol for the other side. Use methods that will positively motivate and persuade these people to your point of view, because that will have the best and most lasting results. You do want results and not just to rant and vent to make you feel better?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:25 PM
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1. Demonstrate a positive role model
That's what my mother did for her vocational ed students.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:27 PM
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2. You haven't motivated me, elocs, so I don't think you quite have a handle on it...
Edited on Sun May-27-07 10:36 PM by John Q. Citizen
In fact, I'm just now as a result of your post going to write Reid and tell him just how betrayed I feel.

I will ask my kids how they motivate their teachers.

I know how employess motivate their bosses, they form a union. Or if they are a key employee, they might mention if they don't get the raise or promotion they deserve, that they are going to look for work elsewhere.

I know holding people accountable figures into this somehow....
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:31 PM
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6. I feel so berated by the motivation of asking rhetorical questions
which I have to do all the time in order to motivate.


lol
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 11:04 PM
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16. Have yoiu tried just swearing at them?
It's worse than useless, but it kinda lets off steam.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 11:17 PM
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17. I taught talented/ gifted and special ed.
Edited on Sun May-27-07 11:29 PM by IChing
Patience, repetition, information, freedom and structure is the balance for each teacher and student to actualize.


SHOUTING HELPS SOMETIMES...............but is not as therapeutic as just breathing correctly.
We all do it for the circumstance some or most use incorrect breathing when we talk in situations
which effects mode, mood, tonality that is part of the musical synopsis, power and symphony of our
human language.

I am reminded of "Dune" and the voice weapon
plus the pitch and temper of Hitler's voice, the electronic voice
of Stephen Hawkings or even Bill Clinton's cadence of voice.

Here I go again.......off topic ......or was I?


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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:28 PM
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3. Orchides ejorum trahite; cordes et mentes veniant.
Applied to politicians, this means simply that you inform them very clearly and calmly that you won't ever vote for them or contribute to their campaigns if they do the Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown thing to you again. No need to insult them -- just tell them what they need to do to get, or lose, your vote and/or your money.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:14 AM
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23. That sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Nicely put. n/t
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:29 PM
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4. Make them believe...
...they are operating in their own best self-interests.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:29 PM
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5. I find cash works well


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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:33 PM
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7. Money, sex or ego.
Works for most people.

:sarcasm:
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:35 PM
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8. Easy - as a parent, I continually try to set the example that
certain behaviors and attitudes tend to lead to successful outcomes, and other behaviors and attitudes tend to lead to unsuccessful outcomes.

I encourage and reward compassion, reason and patience, and I try to discourage fear and impulsiveness and instant gratification.

So far, so good. I have a GREAT kid.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:35 PM
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9. In theory, the representatives that we have hired are supposed
Edited on Sun May-27-07 10:37 PM by glowing
to represent the people and uphold the constitution. I have every right to be angry when they listen to their corporate sponsors over my citizenship. They are enabling the war machine when they vote for more war.

If you are not angered by this blatant disregard for the wishes of the people, then I do not know what will motivate you. They aren't doing the job they were sent to do. It was clear, GET OUT OF IRAQ.

I don't believe these people are motivated to do anything that they were hired to do. They are bought and it shows that they are bought. Time to clean house.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:36 PM
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10. Well, we DON'T do it by lecturing other people about what we think they should do.
That kind of high-horsedness doesn't motivate anyone for jack shit.

Redstone
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:11 AM
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22. Ah, but it says more about you than me. I just wondered if there was a better way.
You don't care. That's the difference between us.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:38 PM
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11. Potential for gain or Fear of loss are the two classic ways to motivate behavior change
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:41 PM
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12. It's like surfing. You don't make the waves; you find 'em and make the most of them.
In teaching, coaching, and managing, I've never found any way to create motivation. Unless there's something VERY wrong, everyone has passions and drive. It's a matter of finding out where the wave is and not killing it. I've never met a person, adult or child, who didn't make their passions obvious to anyone who paid attention.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:43 PM
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13. I just wondered why anybody would believe that negative motivation
that intelligent people would not use on their children, employees, students, or even a dog is the best way to get results from Congress. In all of those situations I do not see how getting angry and showering our Democratic representative with invectives will get the best results. No doubt it makes you feel better when you are otherwise helpless, but it does not positively change the situation.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:43 PM
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14. I motivate my employees with an inspirational sign hung next to the timecards
It says

Attention Employees


We have a new incentive program in effect.
It's called WORK, OR GET FIRED!




It seems to get results....
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 11:33 PM
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19. I like it.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 10:51 PM
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15. You're tigers! Now let me hear you ROAR!!
I try to do some of that. Dammit, we should be the tigers. We have tigers. And others.

Policy weakness makes for a bad future, and arms the other side. If Democrats are to be strong, progressives have to point out the failings.

But we need to stay balanced. One of only two parties is going to win in 2008: better be sure it's the right one, and that the win was worth fighting for.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:20 AM
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26. You say rightly: only one of two parties is going to win in 2008.
That simple and salient point was lost on many in the 2000 election. Let's hope there are not many who are willing to bite off their nose to teach their face a lesson in 2008.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 11:20 PM
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18. I do the same as others here
By setting an example. Actions speak much louder than words.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 11:53 PM
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20. These are adults that were hired to do a specific job. They agreed to do it and then
reneged on the deal. I feel justified in my anger. We are not talking about children or puppies here, but professional bureaucrats who knew what they were doing was wrong. All I can do is rant. And vote.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:09 AM
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21. Oh, so they are employees. Berating your employees must be the best way to motivate them then. n/t
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:20 AM
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25. They ARE employees. Remember? We hire them to represent us.
Again, they are adults who knew what we expected of them. They failed to perform. It is not about "motivation" but about competence. If they are unable to perform as expected, they should remove themselves. And certainly not expect to be invited back.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:45 AM
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32. Then is berating employees the best way to motivate them to do what you want them to do?
Evidently many do believe that. I am thankful I do not work for them. Elections are the place to fire these employees, but if it is the general election that means a Republican will be the new employee. I would wager you would be less than happy with that employee's performance.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 01:01 AM
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33. Why do I have to "motivate" someone to do a job I hired them to do? I would think being hired should
Edited on Mon May-28-07 01:03 AM by Edweird
be motivation enough. They were given a mandate (the root of MANDATORY!) to stand up to the republicans AND stop the war. They have done neither. And not only that they have failed so spectacularly that I regret hiring them in the first place. I, as a Democrat, am embarrassed and humiliated by the actions of my congressional "representatives". I would like to replace them at my earliest convenience. Furthermore, the choice is not repub or dem, but the best dem for the job.

Again, I am not attempting to "motivate" an employee by berating them, I am taking an out of control employee that is insubordinate and fails to follow directions and reading them the "riot act".

This was our Waterloo, in my not so humble opinion. This was our chance to take the reigns, do the right thing, and set ourselves up for '08. And they blew it. Bad. 'pubs are slapping us in the face with their dicks on the news. I am pissed.










edited for spelling.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 11:01 AM
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34. Again, so the best way to change an employee's behavior is to get mad at them and call them names?
If you want an employee to do what you want them to do, name calling is not the best method to achieve that. The Waterloo will come with the vote in September and even if they just voted to cut the funds we would still be in Iraq in September.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 11:53 AM
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35. Our brothers sisters sons daughters mothers and fathers are dying.
You can't possibly expect us to act Mr. Rogers forever.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:18 AM
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24. .
Nothing in the world
is as soft and yielding as water.
Yet for dissolving the hard and inflexible,
nothing can surpass it.

The soft overcomes the hard;
the gentle overcomes the rigid.
Everyone knows this is true,
but few can put it into practice.

True words seem paradoxical.

-Lao-tzu
Tao Te Ching
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:24 AM
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27. Oh, you mean 24 the TV show?
Bad Joke.





Thank you for finding that

"but few can put it into practice".
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:27 AM
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28. My pleasure.
I'm one of the "many", unfortunately. But I keep reading and trying. One of these days it's going to sink in....
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:35 AM
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30. "But I keep reading and trying"




There is no try. •You do not believe. That is why you fail. ...

LOL
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:35 AM
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29. Nicely said and very interesting. Makes one think. Here is another good one:
Knowledge

Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightenment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self requires strength;
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of will power.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:39 AM
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31. What motivates me is a feeling of teamwork
and shared responsibility: a workplace where each person serves a necessary and important function to support the whole--and is seen and treated that way.

I've seen employers use a threatening tone: I have no kind words for them.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:07 PM
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36. I don't think I've ever motivated a politician.
I don't think that the majority of politicians really care what I think. You see, I've spent 30 years talking to them about what I think. They either ignore me, or they send me a patronizing letter ignoring my point, and explaining how "right" they are on the issue. You know. How they know better than I.

What kind of motivation is that to trust them?

Apparently, they need to hear, publicly, that voters have lost confidence in them, don't trust them to do their jobs, and expect something more and different from what they've been doing.

The only things that motivate politicians, as far as I've observed in my 47 years on the planet, are votes and money. The loss of votes and money is a powerful motivator.

I suggest that large blocks of votes and money be withheld from reps who don't earn them, and bestowed on those who do earn them.





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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 12:35 PM
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37. listen to them- ask questions that make
them have to think about what they believe.

When they tell you how things 'are'- ask them how they would like them to be-
ask them to solve the 'problem' or to describe the opposite position-

First- and most important of all, -get them to really THINK- and the best way to do this is to ask and be willing to really listen- to hear the message that sometimes is hidden in the words.

Ask questions-

People don't change without being challenged.

Be yourself- be willing to learn and have your own presumptions challenged.

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