On Cindy - something about that 22% does not add up to the DU I know

Something's not adding up --- as I write this 84 (22%) out of 386 votes cast agree that Cindy is an "attention whore."

In this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=986803&mesg_id=986803

With all due respect, Cindy may have gone a little far in dissing the entire DEM party - but I can't fathom how so many DUers would agree with calling this Gold Star mom and peace activist a "whore." Makes me wonder just how many trolls are hiding out on DU???

I share Cindy's rage at the spineless actions of many DEMS on The Hill who continued to give Shrub another blank check. For now, I'm NOT going to leave the DEM party after 30 dedicated years because I still see the DEMS as a greater part of the solution, then the problem. Yet if we see a repeat of the same sell-out behavior in September, I sadly may reconsider and seek a true progressive party that walks real talk on ending the Iraq disaster.

That being said, I understand disagreeing with Cindy's rhetoric, but 22% see it fit to call her a whore? I fully respect the right to free speech and to you folks in the 22% --- that includes you. It just does not seem to reflect the DU I've gotten to know over the past year. Of course, that's just one person's spin on the personality of this wonderful place.

Any chance we are being fucked with?

ANSWER: Tough question in cyberspace - and I'm clueless how to answer it accurately...

It's baffling, and I've been posting here for years.

If anyone thinks the RW sites are not teeming with glee over this and that it would not result in lots of "vistors" to see what they could stir up, well, I would say you don't know Freepers....:shrug:

visitors today, there is a range of viewpoints regarding Cindy's work.

Sore-Tailed Cats, who delight in these things. As exhibit A, I offer the job done on Will Pitt.

Where I first started developing my Grand Unified Theory of Moles and Trolls.

:rofl:

He's also big in the Cthulhu worship circles. An artifact of growing up in New England, one would suppose. ;-)

:)

I'm not kidding. I've been reading and posting here daily for a long time. I've been a member of other forums for an equally long time. I've never seen the like of the change that took place here, and I do mean overnight.

I haven't the slightest idea how else this could be done. It's been pervasive ever since that moment several weeks ago (probably more like months).

I have an idea- let's restrict what forums bring up the post count so trolls can't use the lounge to get 1000+ posts and then post "concern" and be taken seriously. I just don't know what else to do to address the issue.

lol

:)

n/t

:evilgrin:

to Will?

Of late, all the newer posters seem to be really conservative :shrug:. I don't know if they are Freepers or just very reluctant Dems. I am guessing a small portion of the "backwash" Colbert talked about is reluctantly leaving the Repuke party, but dislikes the general "pinkoness" of Sheehan etc.

And lately, I think there are all kinds of people trying to stir things up around here.

This place is infested.

The poll itself was so pathetic in its black and white slanted premise, that I think DU'ers chose to make their own terms in responding such as "I 100% stand behind Cindy" or "I no longer support her position". I don't think all the respondents were calling her an attention whore. I know I wasn't. I picked the latter out of mere protest for the ridiculousness of the poll itself. Course, I pretty much felt like shit afterwards when I saw her new blog post, but I've addressed that separately.

considering the other choice is something to the effect of "the greatest hero who ever lived and the savior of the American People", then I am not suprised that some may have voted for the other option, even if only because they found the writing in the poll to be worthy of Faux News.

Could be ComerPerro, that either by design or totally accidentally the poll is Faux flawed. The very nature of the goofy poll questions sure set us up (on DU) for a divisive conversation. And it worked (again by accident or on purpose) --- no clue there.

But I agree with your premise on the writing of it.

Maybe there is a lesson to be learned?

Such as, look carefully before you leap (vote) on a poll!

It was a bullshit poll and people reacted to it. When you post bullshit under the guise of attempting wit you should be prepared for a certain percentage of people to pretty much say "fuck off".

Now I wonder what the response would have been if it had been a fair poll of people's views? But then again, the maker of the post did not want a fair poll of people's views, did they?

A) I support Ms Sheehan completely and absolutely, she is the mother of the peace movement
B) I support Ms Sheehan most of the time and think she helps the anti-war movement.
C) I support Ms Sheehan's desire to see and end to the war but dislike some tactics.
D) I do not support Ms Sheehan, but I respect her right to do what she thinks is right.
E) I do not support Ms Sheehan and think she harms the fight to the end of the war.
F) I like to Vote!

It says nothing of how people really feel about Cindy.

The poll was too black and white for people to vote accurately.

with Cindy Sheehan and i think you'd get the same results.

and as time go'es on , and more people join in here , i also see alot of different opinons and out right rage when some one post something that gets cross wise in anothers mind , the war begins , and here i set and shake my head and wonder what and the hell is going on in the minds of some of these touble makers , yes i think some of them are trolls and others just like to raise hell cause they are bored , this is what makes up this chicken shit country we have going now , i would like to personly kick every dem who voted for the new war money right in the ass , but that is not possable , so life go'es on , one dat at a time

I like Cindy and I think she did a great job giving a face to the anti-war message. But she had a very strong message and she was forceful with it, and not everyone is going to be comfortable with that. We are all individuals and we are all going to respond to things differently.

:hi:

I do not see her as hero or whore. I think she was a hero to many people especially in light that she kicked open the door of silence by people who did not approve of the war but, were bullied into silence. She made it okay and people took courage from her.
But, I think along the way she lost the real purpose of her mission and got sidetracked abit by some on the fringes who used her fame for their agendas.
This lost her credibility in the eyes of alot who loved her. I also said this is usually the fate of folk heroes. They begin a movement and do something to blow the establishment away and people are like, wonderful. But, because they are just average people, they get used by some who take them down a road where they lose the effectiveness and hero status and become somewhat 'kooky' in peoples eyes.
I think this is what has happened here.

But whereas it used to be one or two votes for a freeper position, now the percentage is much higher. We've always have been fucked with we're just being fucked with more now. Plus now it's primary time at DU (nearly) and ANYONE who says something critical about one dem or another is going to get some verbal mudslinging.

So I would say that 11% trolls and 11% dem candidate cronies or operatives if you wish to put it that way.

There will always be idiots who try to spoil things for everyone.

The old ratios used to be 3-5%. Maybe then it was just the trolls weren't voting in the polls as to not out themselves whereas now since DU is bigger, they can freely blend in. :shrug:

One can respect Cindy and her accomplishments while simultaneously feeling that sometimes her statements and rheotric have been counter-productive, to say the least.

There is a surprising element of strong dislike for Cindy, but I think if, in that poll, there was an option for "Cindy is a whore" - I think it would have gotten few, if any, votes.

"Attention whore" is slang, a slang, two word term. Its not the same as saying "whore."

I admire Cindy, and wish her well. I wish I could believe the change she wants, the change we so need in this country and the world, I wish I could believe it possible today. I believe it possible, hell, necessary to our survival as a species and even planet, at some point. But what she wants we don't yet have the power to bring about - not in the political power of the Democrats, not yet.

But I admire her. I hope to see her continue to speak out in ways that will not take such a toll on her. I'm sorry she felt she had to leave the Democratic party. And I'm thinking the results of that poll are not what they may appear to be.

If they are, then I guess 22% or so is the number of any group, past a certain point, that folds over upon itself.

I know Skip --- it is indeed slang. But words can hurt, just ask any woman on the Rutgers’ basketball team. So I still find the whore comment offensive - slang or not. That of course is just IMHO.

I do share your admiration for Cindy and wish for her a peace in her own heart --- after losing her son in Shrub's war, I can't imagine the grief. I wish not one more parent, brother, sister, husband, wife, daughter, son, had to know (or will know) the pain of losing a loved one. And that further will die in Shrub's reckless and immoral occupation is beyond tragic.

to have a certain number of posts or can any lurkers vote too - including freepers?

Off the topic of the poll - the broad brush swips irritate the hell out of me. A few jerks out of thousands and that is assigned to everyone - even though the hugh majority of people here wouldn't fall into that group. It happens all the time.

So--- because my name's not Hugh, my opinion doesn't count???? ;-)

plus my kids wont go to bed. Repeated kid trips out of bed and stalling also tend to annoy me. ;)

And this was back in the 60s when spanking was considered okay. My mother would come upstairs and spank my sister and me or maybe my two brothers across the hall and we'd start up again before she made it back downstairs. I'm still a night owl! :)

Keep up the good work! :hi:

Sorry to be such a smart-ass, I just couldn't resist on that one. :hippie:

freeps who were members--even paying ones. It seems to be some kind of thrill for some people. :shrug:

you run out of Cheetos and your underwear itches.

hasn't been to the grocery store for a week and a half! :cry:

When I've given someone a star, I've always donated $5 so I don't know if you can donate less. But I can see people joining just to cause havoc here. I don't understand it -- maybe because I have a life -- but I can see it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x988579

referred to topic:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x984754
OP of that topic looks like this:

And if my kid died in someone's phony war, I might want to get a little attention about it myself.

Just sayin'...

I've disagreed with Cindy on a few things, but never in my imagination would I consider calling her a name. It truly astounds me that so many here at DU feel this way. The only explanation I have for it is that freeptards have invaded to insert their vile into the discussion.

I've been around off and on for a few years. For the last few months I haven't been around much and I don't know about anyone else, but it bothers me that DU could be held responsible for driving Cindy Sheehan away from the pro-peace movement. Even at only 22% it still reflects badly on DU as a whole.

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