Does anybody else think that Honduras was a trial balloon?

EFerrari

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Fri Jan-01-10 03:19 PM
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Does anybody else think that Honduras was a trial balloon?

BushCo ignored Latin America for the most part. Porter Goss cleaned out CIA of moderates as H2O Man wisely pointed out to me today. Obama doesn't seem particularly knowledgeable about the region.

What do you think?

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Downwinder

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Fri Jan-01-10 03:41 PM
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1. Not so much a trial balloon as a continuing pattern. n/t

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EFerrari

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Fri Jan-01-10 03:48 PM
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3. Sure, the pattern is there. But it's been a while since

this kind of operation was tried -- Venezuela 2002? Mexico's election that was stolen with BushCo help?

If I were one of these @ssholes, I'd test the water, the limits of regional influence in a small, poor country that no one up here really follows and that Faux can't pronounce?

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Downwinder

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Fri Jan-01-10 04:56 PM
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6. Zelaya was considered a weak link, he did not come to office with an

organized popular movement behind him. Honduras did not have an armed opposition to the last round of dictators. So, Honduras should have been "easy pickings."

Instead the coup unified all of the minority groups. Forced them to organize into a majority. Additionally it identified the coup supporters and created rifts in the oligarchy.

Officialdom does not recognize a horizontal structure. In the Western mind someone always has to be in charge. This is an impediment to military planning in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Honduras.

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bemildred

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Fri Jan-01-10 03:45 PM
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2. Business as usual, or the attempt to maintain that. nt

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EFerrari

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Fri Jan-01-10 03:50 PM
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4. Imho, this is a ratcheting up from the Bush years.

This is not to blame Obama in any way. That's not what I'm after. The tone has changed, hardened somehow.

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Downwinder

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Fri Jan-01-10 04:09 PM
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5. The planning predates Obama. Haiti should be included. Plus the

military build up In Colombia and Panama. The joint maneuvers in the Caribbean and the recommissioning of the Caribbean fleet. Southcom has taken over foreign relations.

Honduras is not over yet. Lobo has his PJs.

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Mika

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Fri Jan-01-10 06:23 PM
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7. I agree with you.

Did you see that most of the "leftist" parties, including Fanmi Lavalas, were banned from participating in the upcoming Haitian elections?

I just cannot believe the levels of newspeak in the US corporomedia this new year, on all fronts.

I think we're in for a heap of shit this year.

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PufPuf23

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Sat Jan-02-10 12:52 AM
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8. Latin America has been in a neo-con/neo-liberal

holding pattern with "soft" proganda for years now.

Our foreign policy has been one could easily argue thoughtlessly anti-democracy in Latin America during my life (57 years).

I hope we shift to the correct tide of history soon.

One can worry about war probability too.

There has been much preparing of the battle field.

I woory about the ideology of HRC, MIC, et al.

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Downwinder

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Sat Jan-02-10 01:25 AM
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9. And here, I'm just worrying about living in a bankrupt police state

Edited on Sat Jan-02-10 01:42 AM by Downwinder

which is unable to feed itself or maintain its infrastructure and the hundred year prediction is that the water is rising. Every city I know has 100 year flood plain restrictions, except the coastal ones don't count.

Edit to add:

But all is well, FOX and Time Warner have a deal.

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struggle4progress

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Sat Jan-02-10 02:26 AM
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10. It seems to me a copy of the Aristide operation: run the Prez outta the country in the wee hours

and then claim he resigned. Come to think of it, didn't Ari Fleischer announce Chavez had resigned, back at the time of the Venezuelan coup?

Nobody's gonna accuse the black-ops boys of originality

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EFerrari

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Sat Jan-02-10 02:59 PM
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11. magbana said that very early on and I thought she was exaggerating.

Boy, was I wrong.

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L. Coyote

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Sat Jan-02-10 09:45 PM
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12. "I'm not sleeping in my pajamas"

to coin a new Lain America phrase :rofl:

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