Cuba agricultural problems continue to impact the economy

Mired in poverty and hunger, the Cubans keep trying to find a solution to their lack of food production

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/07/cuba-city-farms-economy-woes

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Why, because I say they're mired in poverty and hunger? Being poor isn't something you can be bigoted against. It's like being blind, or having a cleft palate, it happens to people and it's usually something they can't control. Cubans are poor because they're forced to live under a communist regime.

You know, you continue with personal attacks, detract from the discussion board's quality.

I really think that you are bigoted against Cubans. You have not one good thing to say about their accomplishments!

You condemn Cuba without any real experience in Cuba.

Cubans aren't "mired in hunger". You are posting another falsehood by saying so.

You see, maybe they meet those measures you like to quote, but I do notice Cubans are very skinny, and the Cubans I've met here tell me they are given a ration card, which is so little, if they were to stick to it they would starve. So Cubans spend all the time roaming around looking for food, and in Cuba there are no stray animals, an no pigeons, they ate them all. I'm sorry, you can keep claiming all that stuff, but I got Cubans here in Venezuela who are sick of that system and tell me the truth about it.

For the uninitiated and uninformed... the ration card (actually it's a discount coupon book to be used at a government coop store) isn't intended to be the sole source of food purchasing. All Cubans have an income. A living wage/retirement. The so called "ration card" is nothing more than a subsidized coupon book used as an addition to whatever else they are buying.




No stray animals? No pigeons?

My god. You are totally out there in the nothingness of bigotry.

This is why so many of them depend on theft and prostitution. The Cubans here tell me they ate all the pigeons and stray animals. I'd rather beleve them than you, sorry.

Your falsehoods and disgusting anti Cuba bigotry says more about you than anything else.

As another poster here says, you're here to sling bullshit hoping that maybe something will stick. So far, nada.


I do have to say that your form is improving. At least you haven't faked this falsehood into a story snippet. It's pure you.



Cheers

What a simply disgusting thing to say. To post such a falsehood here proves one thing - you are a bigot. You are bigoted against Cubans.


Mods: how long are you going to allow this bigoted spamming to continue? Not to mention the fake story snippets and fabricated story by-lines, how long would a DUer last here if they continuously posted this and other types of bigoted nonsense of an American demographic?

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:thumbsup:

Can you imagine how long it would take mods to TS a poster who made such claims against African-Americans, or Latinos, or Native Americans, or GLBTs, or women, or men?

A New York minute, I suspect.

Here's to the job the mods do :toast: ... in hopes that they see the light on this matter.


edit: TS = Tombstone

that's a fact, not a slam on the people of those countries.

This thread is about Cuba, not poor Haiti.


Cheers

what is it today, guzanos, traitors???? like there isn't prostitution in Cuba. I don't know about pigeons and dogs but Protocol says his friends tell him. and why does a parody of Cuba's failed system bother you. you do know it was satire don't you???

Very much like Rush, Insannity, O'Really and Bekkk.

by religiously listening everyday????

But, like proto and now you, when they get a little heat over their falsehoods and bigotry they too claim "humor" and "satire".

If you all want to post satire and humor then maybe find a satire forum to post your "humor" and "satire"?

Otherwise it's nothing more than flamebait and spam.

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Some of my posts were removed for crossing this line, not for fabricating falsehoods or bigoted false generalizations.

Apparently, it's OK to malign Cubans in Cuba with bigoted falsehoods.

Also --> Cuba.

I think the problem Cuba has with prostitution is well known. You may visit blogs written by Canadians and Europeans in which they describe their adventures with young, and very cheap, Cuban prostitutes.

As regards the population eating all the pigeons and stray dogs and cats, I've heard the story from several Cubans, all of them repeat the same line: after the Soviet Union fell, they went hungry, very hungry, because Cuba had not been a self sustaining society, and survived thanks to Soviet subsidies. The lack of subsidies caused a huge crisis, and they nearly starved to death. One of them told me they even had to take old felt blankets, shred them, and mix the cut up threads with an egg to bulk up a meal.

I think the ravages of communism are well known. The North Korean population is known to suffer from mass starvation, and it is reported they have stripped the bark off trees. Hundreds of thousands of North Koreans have died of hunger in recent years. Other major communist crimes are also reported, such as the killing fields in Camboya, where the communists murdered over a million middle class and educated members of society.

I know this makes you mad, but I am just discussing what I hear from Cubans who are talking about their experiences. Do notice I'm not sitting here spitting at you nor insulting you, nor calling for you to be silenced, even though I happen to think you are either deceived or just shilling for the communist regime. Keep it civil, and maybe together we can discern a truth we can both trust.

The claim is so lame that words fail me. So went looking for a few pix. And found the mellow dogs of Cuba. :-)







In some countries, such as Egypt, animals are not treated well. In Cuba I found great respect for dogs, cats, and other animals. The closest thing I saw to a fight was when a driver did not slow down for a dog crossing the road, and a bystander let it be known what the proper behavior should be. Dogs in Cuba are everywhere, and you can usually hear barking, but not the fierce aggressive barking you hear in countries such as South Africa. Most dogs in Cuba are small, and all the street dogs need a bath. But they sleep anywhere, and can be found standing around observing life, or just generally sniffing everything. Here are a few examples of man's (and woman's) best friend.

Several homes had the sign "Hay perro!" This was supposedly to notify potential intruders that a dangerous dog was on the premises. When I would see one of these signs I would shake the gate to see what would happen. Usually, if the dog even woke up, I would get a "why are you bothering me?" look.

More uncooked doggies at link below:

http://jewishcuba.org/photos/perros.html

who worked for _{George W. Bush,} Vicki Huddleston, had an Afghan Hound she insisted on using to join the Cuban National Association of Afghan Hounds in Havana. She had named her Afghan "Hassan Havana Huddleston." She made insulting remarks about Cuba there, and the association demanded her membership be terminated, although they agreed the dog could remain connected to the organization.

She also threw a fit when she learned there was a limit on the size of shipments in her diplomatic allotment she could order from the U.S. because she wanted large amounts of supplies for her show dogs.
If they eat the dogs in Cuba, may we inquire "WHAT DOG SHOWS?" :wtf:

How absolutely idiotic ANYONE drags his ass here day after day to lay out all these politically motivated whoppers. We ALL know better than that. ALL of us.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_5jy0SZhMlaU/STLv0Eot-NI/AAAAAAAAFcc/XCLVwmDOBAM/s400/huddlestonv_portrait.jpg

Vicki Huddleston
Foolish to bring show dogs
to a country whose citizens
"EAT DOGS" according to
congenital mis-staters.

I got so interested in seeing those photos you posted I decided to go look for Havana dog and found this:

http://honewatson.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/blogs.dir/thumbs/2006/04/ogchinese-shar-pei-puppies/chinese-shar-pei-puppies410ok.jpg

From Cuba Havana The Spring International
Dog Show - Chinese Shar-Pei Puppies

http://honewatson.com/og/chinese-shar-pei-puppies/

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogEightCentralHavana.jpg

It is rare to find such a large dog in the
City, but this one posed for me and had no
problem with a stranger at the door.

Dogs of Havana
You can’t walk anywhere in Havana without stumbling across the dogs of Havana!

For the most part, the owners keep a close eye on their pets, which tend to hang out in the windows or doorways. There are plenty of stray dogs in the streets as well.

Cubans love their dogs, though it’s not easy to feed them. Since pet food is not for sale in Cuba, owners feed them scraps left over from meals.

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogFourAgain.jpg

This is a stray who lives by begging and who
followed me for five blocks. He is probably
the typical Cuban dog which, it is rumored,
“came off the boat with Columbus.”

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogPosing.jpg

This pet dachshund displays herself in the window so
passersby can give her an admiring glance or touch.

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogThree.jpg

This little guy seemed to beg me to say hello. Most
dogs in Cuba are on the small side and could be
described as a Heinz 57 variety.

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogNineDreams.jpg

Here is another version of “the Columbus dog” and
he was sleeping near one of the noisiest highways
in Havana, right beside the Malecon seawall. Yet
nothing could disturb his dreams.

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogTwoonSidewalk.jpg

Above is a little dog owned by a blind man and he is very
proud of his dog. I found them near a bar in Central Havana.

http://www.havana-unwrapped.com.nyud.net:8090/images/DogSixMalecon.jpg

Here (right) is an excellent example of a
boldly mixed breed. No doubt he contains
elements of many of the above dogs but I
could not ask him as he was merrily
making his way through Central Havana to
an undisclosed rendezvous.
More:
http://www.havana-unwrapped.com/dogs-of-havana.html

ETC.
We've seen images of dogs in Cuba for YEARS.

A straight up lie. A proven lie. A disgusting lie intended to promote a falsehood.

Anyone who claims that Cubans eat dogs is a liar. Period.


Although, plenty of people eat Squab, including in the US. Food Network has recipes.

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Sorry, but they keep assuring me they ate everything when the Soviet Union fell, dogs, cats, vultures. And the one who told me about the shredded blankets with eggs swears it's true. I wouldn't believe it myself, but I've heard some pretty awful stories about the Soviet gulag, and what prisoners of war ate in camps, so I suppose it's true. Maybe we should do an internet search to see what we find, use "Cuban people ate the cats" to see if it has any hits....

"Cubans do buy food but they don't get the best like we do. One day you go to the supermarket and you buy: milk, bread, snack..etc. but don't get the idea that Cubans can get those foods. Cuba is a very poor country and all the people get everyday at work would be maximum 7 pesos. As you can see it's a very poor country. It's a great country for vacation. Only if it's 4 stars or up. Cubans are everywhere in the streets trying to get money from other tourists. I wouldn't say the eat cats and dogs all the time. They would in times when they NEED to. Now close your eyes and imagine Cuba BEFORE I told you about it. How was it? Luxurious and palm trees everywhere right? It would be like that for tourists. Right now they are need they need our help. They don't like where they are living. It's a horrible place for us. Now close your eyes and imagine YOUR everyday life: waking up with an alarm clock and heading downstairs for breakfast right? of course! but in Cuba you wake up NOT by the sound of an alarm clock and you WOULD NOT head downstairs to have breakfast. You would go to work if you even had one. Cuba has been a rich country. But now they are very poor."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100305205916AANa4CS

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/millions-of-cubans-facing-starvation-hunger-is-fuelling-an-exodus-of-desperate-refugees-writes-phil-davison-from-havana-1417691.html

Millions of Cubans facing starvation: Hunger is fuelling an exodus of desperate refugees, writes Phil Davison from Havana

PHIL DAVISON in Havana

YOU WON'T see many cats prowling the twisting, unlit streets of old Havana these days. Strays or pets, most have fallen victim to a people living on the edge of starvation.

Under ever-tighter rationing since the collapse of the Soviet bloc, the poorest of Cubans began devouring the cat population last year. Even the tiny allowance of meat in their ration books is rarely available after they queue for hours at state warehouses.

'Cats were among the first to go since they're said to taste okay. I had my three robbed from my house in January,' said Sylvia, a 32-year- old unmarried mother who lives in the Playa district and works as an administrator in a state hospital.

'I've heard of people eating dogs, those little ones that have no fur, but I think that's the exception. They say dog meat tastes bad and you still see plenty of stray dogs. Most people have drawn the line there. So far.'

The hunger of Cuba's 11 million people has reached a critical level. Package tourists from Canada, South America or Europe are kept well away from it as they are whisked from airports to hotels in beach resorts such as Varadero. But Cubans without access to US dollars are starving as badly as their Caribbean neighbours in Haiti, the western hemisphere's poorest nation.

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So it says they ate cats, and some even ate dogs. My Cuban friend says he ate a dog, and he also heard of people who caught and ate vultures. All of the Cubans I talked to here said the cats were OK. They also mentioned snakes were no good, they have too many little bones (I think Cuba only has small snakes).

So there you are.

I do remember the Vicki Huddleston doggie dilemma.


:hi:

http://img.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/v642/SnyperKat/CubaStrays1.jpg

Stray Cats in Cuba!

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Long story short, I was in Cuba for a week on vacation, and at the hotel I was staying at, there were a lot of strays hanging around.

Mind you, these are of the most well-fed strays I've ever seen, heh. They won't eat anything except meat, and I never saw any visible ribs. Even the kittens I saw were in pretty good health!

Anyway, I figured these pictures would be interesting for everyone to see. On a few occasions my mother and I brought food to the area where most of them hang out, so I got swarmed once or twice.

http://img.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/v642/SnyperKat/CubaStrays.jpg

Look at 'em all

http://img.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/v642/SnyperKat/CubaStrays2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/v642/SnyperKat/CubaStrays3.jpg

And two of the kittens!

http://img.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/v642/SnyperKat/CubaKittens.jpg

I'm gonna miss these cats. :'( They were so friendly and affectionate, even when I didn't have food. Well, I hope you all find these interesting! ^^

http://www.petsandwildlifeforum.com/showthread.php?t=305

http://www.danheller.com.nyud.net:8090/images/LatinAmerica/Cuba/Dogs-n-Cats/porch-cats.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8090/3504/3729439180_d5e40d074b.jpg

Cuban cat

http://images.travelpod.com.nyud.net:8090/users/neil.gordon/9.1213447440.neighbour-girls-and-their-cats.jpg

Neighbor girls and their cats

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com.nyud.net:8090/media/photo-s/00/1d/f8/fb/some-cats.jpg

http://images.travelpod.com.nyud.net:8090/users/ki-cat/cuba-2007.1195701120.xki-xcat.jpg

Cat in Cienfuegos.
Forgot to tell you the photos you posted are very endearing. Love the little lady and her pal in the top photo. The woman really looks terrified and beaten down, doesn't she? Well, maybe not!

Time to sling something else.

Don't confuse the two. I'm sure that, given free and fair elections, the Cubans would kick the communists out of power. Therefore my comments are to be construed as "anti-communist", not "anti-Cuban". Don't forget, Cubans mixed with African slaves, we mixed with native Americans and a little with African slaves, so got a little more oriental DNA in our blood.

For the uninformed, the Native American population came to the Americas from Asia, via Beringia, this has been shown by DNA studies, when they arrived, they exterminated the megafauna which existed in the Americas, once that party was over, the newly arrived homo sapiens went ahead and behaved as it always did, growing the population, cutting trees, sometimes destroying the environment, and always trying to kill the guy next door whenever possible). We are a mixture of European invaders with these earlier migrants, with a tad of African slave mixed in, but we're a lot more laid back :-)

Cubans, on the other hand, have a slightly different background. The Spaniards exterminated all the natives on the island, either via disease transmission or outright genocide, so they decided to import African slaves. The Cuban population thus shows more of a mixed European-African descent. But we're close enough we can play dominoes together, and their music and ours are the same.

As for you white Americans, it would really help if you didn't try to classify people of mixed blood as "black" or "white", it is ridiculous. In any case, you white folk are just mutated Africans, you lost your ability to darken your skin as a survival mechanism, when you were forced to move north by us, the darker skinned southerners. So, as you fled north into the snowy wilderness of the ice age, you had to lighten up to absorb more sun light - imagine how you must have suffered in that cold, you didn't even know how to make a fur coat, and yet you had to survive somehow. Therefore we don't mind your mutated nature, it's not your fault :-)

:wow:

One for the :crazy: archives.

:rofl:

Some mother's little helpers, I suspect. ;)