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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:30 PM
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Pro-govt crowd shouts down protesters in Cuba
Source: Associated Press

Pro-govt crowd shouts down protesters in Cuba
The Associated Press
Thursday, December 9, 2010; 8:11 PM

HAVANA -- A Cuban opposition group marched through the capital to call attention to jailed dissidents Thursday, amid a shower of jeers, insults and pro-government slogans from counterprotesters.

About five dozen members of the Ladies in White and their supporters held one of their customary protests on the eve of International Human Rights Day, leaving from the home of leader Laura Pollan and marching to a public park.

A crowd formed to follow and harangue the women, calling them "worms" and "traitors." "Viva la revolucion!" they shouted, and "This street belongs to Fidel!"

The pro-government crowd grew to about 100 as the march continued. One motorist stopped his car and got out to join them.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/09/AR2010120905863.html
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:40 PM
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1. WAIT A FREAKIN' MINUTE!!111!!! Castro allows anti gov't protesters?
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 09:44 PM by Billy Burnett
About five dozen members of the Ladies in White and their supporters held one of their customary protests ...


One of their customary protests?

Jeez. The anti Castro RWers inhabiting DU's LAtin America forum repeatedly tell us that that rat bastard Castro locks up anyone who disagrees with the dick tater ship.

Who would've thunk that they were lying? :eyes:


At least the pro Cuba Cubans treat RWer vermin (pushing for another US/privatization takeover) the way they should be. :thumbsup:

This is what we should be doing to Repiglickan vermin too!


Thanks for posting this story.


edit: Found a picture to post ...


Castro's iron-fisted brutal jackboot thugs harassing the "Ladies in White"

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:49 PM
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:04 PM
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9. Being on the self declared enemy's payroll isn't "free speech".
Time to wake up from the intellectual sloth. Many of the jailed "dissidents" were getting funding from Miami based terrorists like Luis Posada and Santiago Alvarez, the CANF, and ALPHA 66. This money was being funneled to them via diplomats of the US interests section in Havana.

Same ol' same ol' ...


The Breckenridge Memorandum
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/bmemo.htm
J.C. Breckenridge, U.S. Undersecretary of War in 1897,
sent the following memo to the Commander of the U.S.
Army, Lieutenant General Nelson A. Miles. The memo
explains what is to be U.S. policy towards Cuba.

{snip}

It is obvious that the immediate annexation of these disturbing elements into our own federation in such large numbers would be sheer madness, so before we do that we must clean up the country, even if this means using the methods Divine Providence used on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We must destroy everything within our cannons’ range of fire. We must impose a harsh blockade so that hunger and its constant companion, disease, undermine the peaceful population and decimate the Cuban army. The allied army must be constantly engaged in reconnaissance and vanguard actions so that the Cuban army is irreparably caught between two fronts and is forced to undertake dangerous and desperate measures.

-

When this moment arrives, we must create conflicts for the independent government. That government will be faced with these difficulties, in addition to the lack of means to meet our demands and the commitments made to us, war expenses and the need to organize a new country. These difficulties must coincide with the unrest and violence among the aforementioned elements, to whom we must give our backing.

To sum up, our policy must always be to support the weaker against the stronger, until we have obtained the extermination of them both, in order to annex the Pearl of the Antilles {Cuba}.




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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:54 PM
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17. ExTheUnknown
Guess you never heard of Gitmo. There is a huge sign in Cuba with a black hooded tortured person with electrodes attached. The picture used to be around a lot. FASCISTAS was written on it.

Guess we talk about them and they talk about us. But Che was fighting for people. We fight for oil.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:11 AM
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19. That's so good, it's great to see it. Thanks, molly77. n/t
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:11 AM
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24. I googled it
Thanks for referencing that, I had never seen it. Photo:

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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:42 AM
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25. Here's some more that are next to the billboards you posted.
Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 10:57 AM by Billy Burnett


---

I think that this billboard reveals a deep respect for the ideals of the concept of US liberty.



---

Across the street.


Bush + Posada = Hitler

FYI - in Cuba, Luis Posada and Orlando Bosch are akin to Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in the US. I don't think that the anti Castro "experts" here understand how reviled they are, as well as those who aid and abet such terrorists. The husbands of the "Ladies in White" in Cuba are just that - aiders and abettors on the payroll of murdering terrorists and the government that funded their terror ops and currently harbors them (the US government).





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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 02:29 PM
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31. Priceless Bush + Posada, and accurate, as well. Thanks. n/t
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 10:27 AM
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28. Thanks for that - worth keeping
:thumbsup:

:hi:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 02:28 PM
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30. Thanks for finding that and posting it. Spectacular. The placement was impeccable. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:05 PM
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11. They just scare a person to death, don't they?
Your heart just goes out to their lovely leader, that courageous, wonderful Marta Beatriz Roque, good friend, and employee of former CIA operative, Cuban "exile" terrorist, Santiago Alverez, who smuggled mass murderer/CIA/Contra operative/bomber Luis Posada Carriles back into our country.

http://www.cubaencuentro.com.nyud.net:8090/var/cubaencuentro.com/storage/images/blogs/el-tono-de-la-voz/media/martha-beatriz-roque3/1368317-1-esl-ES/martha-beatriz-roque.jpg http://www.cubadebate.cu.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/marta-beatriz-cabello.jpg

Marta with former US ambassador, James Cason

http://www.elpais.com.nyud.net:8090/recorte/20050725elpepuint_2/SCO250/Ies/opositora_Marta_Beatriz_Roque_fue_liberada_ayer_foto_archivo.jpg http://www.asambleasociedadcivilcuba.info.nyud.net:8090/ReunionGeneral-/asamblea-martha-votando.jpg
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:09 PM
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14. Judi, in that bottom picture of Marta Beatriz Roque she's voting. For McCain (not kidding).
The "dissidents" headed up by Marta Beatriz Roque staged a symbolic election for "dissidents" only. McCain won overwhelmingly. :rofl:


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:31 PM
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16. Oh, jeeeezus. I wondered what that nasty smirk on her "face" was about.
Holy smokes.

Love it! Too, too cool. So damned preditable. :rofl:
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:47 PM
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2. So Cuba's getting into the act now?

Sounds like there's protests or confrontations starting in a lot of places right now.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:58 PM
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7. These crazy ladies (who's locked up husbands were on the US payroll) march every month.
Quite often they run across a few Cubans who tell the traitorous ladies to piss off.


Maybe you remember that Gloria Estefan held a march in Miami in support of the ladies in white in Cuba. Joining her were murdering terrorists Orlando Bosch and Luis posada.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/March+Held+Support+Cuban+Activists+Group+Women+iY4HaFBP7_5l.jpg

Gloria sells t-shirts at her restaurants. Cuba B.C. (before Castro), that is intended to celebrate the glory days of Cuba, pre Castro (iow, Batista's Cuba).

T-shirts for sale at her restaurants, Bongo's. (She peddles this swill at Disney parks)


And the menu w/mention of the shirts at the bottom,

Cuba B.C. Collection

Made famous on the Today Show Summer Concert Series,this original Gloria Estefan creation remembers Cuba during it’s 1950’s Glory Days.

Women’s T-Shirt 100% black cotton, ribbed with capped sleeves and nail heads: S, M, L, XL, XXL 27.99

Men’s T-Shirt 100% black cotton, ribbed heavy weight, screen printing: S, M, L, XL, XL, XXL 19.99


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:02 PM
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8. Wow .... and I'm sure US has nothing to do with this .... hmmm...
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:51 PM
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4. which side are you on?
just curious.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:56 PM
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6. people. (not to speak for the OP, i just know enough from her posts.)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:52 PM
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5. Reminder from Miami of how they treat visiting Cuban nationals:
Cuban Americans Terrorize Cubans to Keep Their Music Out of Miami
by Julia Reynolds

On a hotter-than-usual day in Bill Martínez’s San Francisco office, the Cuban band Bamboleo is blaring and phones are ringing. “You better make sure the group understands the visa problem,” Bill tells the caller. “They must know they’re not supposed to be in Miami.”

It’s the post-Elián era, and in Miami, emotions are still boiling. Local law says Cuban musicians can’t play there and now the Cuban government is telling artists their flights can’t even stop there. It’s an all-out culture war. It’s ironic that Martínez, an immigration attorney who helps Cuban musicians set up tours in the U.S., can’t even book them into the country’s largest city of Cubans.

“This is so stupid,” Bill complains. “We shouldn’t even have to be talking about this today.”

Last October, Miami’s exile community did their best to stop a concert by the Cuban group Los Van Van that Bill helped organize. It was like a scene from an abortion clinic. The militants showed up half a day early and waited for the glorious moment when they could throw bottles, cans, rocks and baggies full of excrement at the crowd attending the concert.

More:
http://www.elandar.com/back/summer00/stories/story_miamimusic.html

http://www.historickeywestinns.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/los_van_van3_ab_y.jpg http://www.60019.it.nyud.net:8090/images/notizie/2004/20040907vanvan_g.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_qFBGyY-0KLU/TPZdIQHjBPI/AAAAAAAAILs/47tffaZkZC4/s1600/Los%2BVan%2BVan.jpg

Los Van Van!

You can find their songs at You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G67xDWeFBs

Los Van Van
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:05 PM
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10. Interesting ... more evidence of how little truth the right wing can tolerate...
and how damaging it is to their propaganda when it hits --

Had read about ten years or so ago that there was a lot of growing

liberal Cuban opposition to those right wing Cuban forces who have

been holding sway in Miami since the 1960's coup on JFK.

Presume that they responded to it by banning it?

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:22 PM
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15. It took relentless work by various groups and the ACLU to finally make some serious inroads
in the bizarre ban they had there on Cuban nationals in Miami. It was so bad that Human Rights Watch made a statement that freedom of speech was in serious jeopardy in Miami.

Here's another article written about Los Van Van's trip to Miami:
Music: The Salsa Censors
By Tim Padgett/Miami Monday, Apr. 03, 2000

The Cuban dance band Los Van Van is so beloved at home that 100 years from now, goes a local joke, Fidel Castro will be known as a failed dictator who ruled in the age of Los Van Van. But until recently, the legendary salsa troupe, whose virile and eclectic rhythms have influenced Latin music for three decades, was not much more familiar to most Americans than the rich puff of a Cohiba cigar.

Then, last fall, Miami officials tried to block Los Van Van's debut performance in that city, citing a local ban on business with Cuban nationals. When the officials finally relented and let the show go on, thousands of Cuban exiles screamed, spit and hurled eggs and D batteries at arriving audience members. After the band won a Grammy last month, the first ever by a Cuban salsa group, it slyly thanked Miami for generating so much U.S. publicity for its music. Still, because of Miami's so-called Cuba ordinance--a 1996 measure that can deny public funds, sites and permits to cultural events that include Cubans--members of Los Van Van are among very few Cuban artists who have been able to crash the city's cold war fiesta. This remains true even though new federal rules encourage cultural exchanges with the communist island.

Local bans on commerce with repressive foreign regimes aren't unusual in the U.S. But First Amendment defenders say Miami's Cuba ban, by reaching beyond business to salsa and cinema, is worrisome because it amounts to America's only real example of codified censorship. Miami arts enthusiasts, fearing reprisals, have balked at challenging the ban. But the American Civil Liberties Union and Debbie Ohanian, the concert promoter who brought Los Van Van to Miami, tell TIME that they plan to file a federal suit this week. "My family is from Armenia, which was under Soviet communism for 70 years, and yet we still allowed the Bolshoi Ballet to perform here," says Ohanian, 43. "As an American, this law offends me."
More:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,996509,00.html

It doesn't take a genius to recognize why Cuba wanted these people OUT OF THEIR GOVERNMENT, and out of their faces. There was a reason for that revolution!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:33 PM
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27. Thanks for the added info --
as usual, the right wing succeeds thru violence -- !!

will we ever find a cure for that??!!

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ExTheUnknown Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:05 PM
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12. An eye for an eye
makes the whole world blind.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:08 PM
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13. "A crowd formed to follow and harangue the women,..."
....it's just political self-defense....the 'crowd' understands that the women will be used by counter-revolutionary forces to destroy the essence of the Cuban revolution....

....the crowd must also realize that they will never be able to replace their government or revolution should it be destroyed, not in this era of global corporate hegemony....
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:58 PM
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18. Cuba wanted to send health care workers to New Orleans after
Katrina. bush would not allow them to enter the country. Good wins out. Seems like it takes a while though.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 04:54 AM
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20. The Ladies in White
have to do the occassional obligatory protest to keep their Miami paymasters happy by demonstating that at least some of the funds provided to them are to put to the use intended.

"worms" and "traitors" sounds apt.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 05:59 AM
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21. True! They have to haul their white draped asses out to perform their pantomimes
Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 06:00 AM by Judi Lynn
of women in white, while the REAL women in white in Argentina have LOUDLY denounced these fascist freeloaders sucking up US taxpayers' hard-earned money.

The Madres of the Plaza de Mayo were the mothers of leftists who were taken by the government, imprisoned, tortured, and murdered. The ones who had pregnant daughters learned that they had been forced to give birth in prison, sometimes medically induced by prison authorities, their babies taken and given to favored allies in the military or government, or oligarchy, like the woman who owned Clarin, the dictatorship-serving newspaper.

Their group was infiltrated by government spies, and some of these ladies were themselves imprisoned, tortured, and thrown out of planes.

Sting was so moved when he learned of their situation, he wrote a song for them. When he sang it in Chile, 15,000 Argentinian people crossed the border to hear it. He also sang the song in Argentina. I saw someone posted it at CNN in 2000, the first time I ever heard of it.

Here are some of them, the REAL women in white, in Argentina, quite a bit older these days, after REAL suffering.

http://www.citizen.org.nyud.net:8090/trade/images/Marcha_Madres_Plaza_Mayo.jpg

http://www.elpais.com.nyud.net:8090/recorte/20060324elpepuint_8/XLCO/Ies/Madres_Plaza_Mayo.jpg

http://doc2.noticias24.com.nyud.net:8090/0910/madresma281000.jpg http://i.ytimg.com.nyud.net:8090/vi/-P9m-3mrflo/0.jpg


Sting-They dance alone (live) (Cueca Solo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA_X_gzhWfw
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 07:43 AM
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22. Thanks for that and the Sting link too
Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 07:45 AM by dipsydoodle
There's another version of of that with Peter Gabriel too from Argentina 1988.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1jslyzgXOk&feature=related

Its very touching seeing him dance and hug the ladies.

:hug:

In future I think I'll refer to the Cuban ones as the Ladies in Shite - cos that what they are.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:48 PM
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29.  Overwhelming. Intense. It's important the word of what has happened to them gets repeated endlessly
It is so scummy that the US-paid blobs in Havana even dreamed of trying to copy them, isn't it?

"Ladies in Shite" is just about right for the US hired clowns in Cuba.

So decent of Sting and Peter Gabriel to point out this long-lived evil monsters' orgy to those of us who were kept COMPLETELY IN THE DARK about it, thanks to our corporate "news" services, until it was far, far later.



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spanza Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 08:49 AM
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23. "Spontaneous pro-gvt crowd shouts down spontaneous ladies in white"
Welcome to the black hole of information.
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 08:37 PM
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26. They are short timers
The new move towards capitalism will eventually lead to government change. All of these pro government types will have to learn their manners if the country does become a democratic social republic.
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