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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 04:51 PM
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I will not bother succeeding presidents: Santos
I will not bother succeeding presidents: Santos
Friday, 15 April 2011 14:17
Tom Heyden

http://colombiareports.com.nyud.net:8090/pics/santos/uribe_santos_handover.jpg

Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos has said that when his presidency ends he will devote his time to teaching and refrain from interfering in the affairs of succeeding heads of state, Caracol Radio reported Friday.

In a thinly-veiled swipe at former President Alvaro Uribe, who in recent weeks has been questioning the policies of the current administration, Santos stated that "maybe will see me, after this responsibility that the Colombian people have given me, lecturing as an ex-president and not bothering the succeeding presidents."

Uribe has been outspoken in his criticism over the government's decision to extradite the alleged drug lord Walid Makled to his home country Venezuela, rather than the U.S., claiming in contradiction to the administration that the U.S. first sought his extradition.

The former president also questioned the veracity of Santos' recent announcement that Venezuela is no longer harboring FARC camps.

More:
http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/15641-i-will-not-bother-succeeding-presidents-santos.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 05:29 PM
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1. Loving it.
lol
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:12 PM
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2. I wonder what Makled knows about Uribe...
"Uribe has been outspoken in his criticism over the government's (Santos') decision to extradite the alleged drug lord Walid Makled to his (Makled's) home country Venezuela, rather than the U.S., claiming in contradiction to (Santos) that the U.S. first sought his extradition."--from the OP

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Uribe got some other death squad witnesses out of Colombia, with U.S. help (Obama administration). They were extradited to the U.S. and "buried" in the U.S. federal prison system--out of the reach of Colombian prosecutors and over their objections--by complete sealing of their cases in U.S. federal court in Washington DC. He also got the chief spying witness against him out of Colombia, I'm pretty sure with U.S. help (instant asylum given to her in the U.S. client state of Panama)--also out of the reach of Colombian prosecutors and over their objections.

So, as Bob Dylan once sang, "You KNO-O-OW something is HAPPENING here, but don't know what it i-i-i-is!"--or you don't quite know what it is. Bush Junta drug trafficking and death squad crimes, is my guess, re the above.

This is what leads me to wonder what Makled knows about Uribe--who is so pissed that Makled didn't get "buried" in a U.S. prison.*

Also, Uribe projects his evil deeds onto others, like the Bushwhacks do, so we should have known that his accusation that Chavez was "harboring" FARC guerrillas meant that HE was sending rightwing paramilitary gangs ("Black Eagles") into Venezuela. It just came out that "Black Eagles" (rightwing thugs and drug traffickers) with links to Uribe's intelligence agency (DAS) tried to infiltrate and take over certain Venezuelan border areas. I gather that there is on-going danger that Uribe might be linked to this, since he can't give up on his lies about Chavez--he's now calling Santos a liar (who recently said there are no FARC camps in Venezuela). Uribe's intelligence agency was also illegally spying on judges, prosecutors, human rights groups, trade unionists and others (and was very likely passing "lists" to the "Black Eagles", for threats and murders).

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*(The Obama administration is handling this one differently. They didn't like, but didn't seem to vigorously fight, Makled's extradition to Venezuela rather than the U.S. The reason may be that numerous U.S. agents interrogated Makled while he was still in Colombia, and, according a report by rabs, Hillary Clinton said that they "got everything they wanted" out of it. To me, this means that Makled has no dirt on the Bush Junta (for Obama/Clinton/Panetta to cover up). But he likely has dirt on Uribe--a mafioso with tons of dirt streaming from his expensive suits, falling out of his pockets, staining his ties, spurting from his nose, mouth and ears, all over his hands, darkening his underwear, filling his socks and trailing behind him everywhere he goes.)
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:14 AM
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4. I am curious
If you are warming up to Santos at all. By all accounts he seems to be doing a good job.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:57 PM
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6. My current assessment of Santos? It's a CIA good cop/bad cop scene.
Uribe decapitates the grass roots leadership of the country--with thousands of murders of trade unionists, human rights workers, community activists, teachers, political leftists, journalists and others, drives 5 MILLION peasants from their lands, many into urban squalor (slave labor force), and drenches the country in U.S. "war on drugs"/"war on terror" murder, mayhem and terror, then Santos gets sanctified as the "good cop" for purpose of the U.S./Colombia "free trade for the rich" agreement. 'Move along here, nothing to see.' 'We need to look forward not backward.'

Uribe was running the country like "Murder, Inc." It was entirely a criminal enterprise, so filthy as to be almost unbelievable. Some 70 of Uribe's closest political cohorts are under investigation or already in jail for bribery, drug trafficking, ties to the rightwing death squads, illegal domestic spying, corruption and other crimes. Lord, they were spying on judges, prosecutors, the political opposition, human rights groups, trade unionists--everybody! In truth, Uribe should be in jail (just as Bush Jr should be) but he has so far been protected by the Obama administration in some kind of deal with the Bushwhacks (implemented by Daddy Bush pal Leon Panetta at the CIA). So it doesn't take much for Santos to look better than Uribe. All he has to do is NOT spy, NOT bribe, NOT traffic in drugs, NOT murder so many people, NOT lie half as much--or be cleverer than Uribe at covering up the dirty deeds that seem to be endemic in rightwing, U.S.-supported government.

What is there to "warm up to"? U.S. "free trade for the rich" and continued U.S. "war on drugs" war profiteering, following a decade of bloody political "cleansing"?

"Warming up to" this is for idiots with short memories.

The Obama administration has been protecting and coddling Uribe partly because he did the dirty work--the needed bloody-handed prep for U.S. "free trade for the rich" and for retaining Colombia as a U.S. war profiteer venue.

However, I think what may be happening, now, is that Uribe is TOO dirty and thus too much of a threat to Bush Junta criminals, and the CIA may therefore be jettisoning his protection package because they believe (or know) that he is going to be nailed. That's a possibility anyway--that the U.S. needs distance from him, so that if he gets indicted and starts to "sing," they can spin it as nutball liar Uribe who will say anything. This may be why Santos has contradicted him on the phantom FARC guerrilla camps in Venezuela--to undermine his credibility. Uribe is most vulnerable at the moment on his vast illegal domestic spying, and that is top candidate for a crime that the Bush Junta helped him commit (but there are other possibilities, including U.S.-involved death squad murders, U.S. involvement with "Black Eagle" infiltration into Venezuela, and the biggie--U.S. involved cocaine profiteering).

I think the "Black Eagles" infiltration into Venezuela may be a rather big Uribe vulnerability, because Uribe/Restrepo are so obsessed with projecting this onto Chavez (by saying that Chavez was "harboring" guerrillas). This Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-like projection is also a cover up--a political ploy. They throw out all this flak and then when it comes out that THEY were ones doing all the "black ops" stuff on the border and within Venezuela, the corporate press has a means by which to muddle it all up.

The U.S. has a lot of "problems" in Latin America (their biggest one being that democracy is succeeding there). And it looks like the U.S. has been told--by someone whom our corporate rulers want to do business with, possibly Dilma Rousseff--that the U.S. has totally botched its influence in the region. Lula da Silva's outgoing words were that "the U.S. has not changed." Latin American democracy is not going to go away. It is in fact getting stronger and more unified. Bushwhack tactics won't work. Honduras backfired in a big way. It may look like a U.S. (corpo-fascist) success, but it wasn't. It has stiffened these leaders' spines even more as to U.S. interference and domination. And Colombia under Uribe had become a pariah. So the U.S. is trying something else--"good cop" Santos. But the threat remains that the corporate/war profiteer forces running the U.S. government will let this play out for a while, then re-install Uribe, whether Obama/Clinton want to or not, or will wait and have the far rightwing do so when ES&S/Diebold ousts Obama in 2012. (Uribe is no doubt colluding with the far rightwing U.S. congress and other such elements to this end.)

Santos was Uribe's Defense Minister for several years. That alone makes me not trust him. The Colombia military has been one of the worst offenders as to murdering trade unionists and others. Maybe he was a sort of "good guy" mole in that criminal government, or maybe he is just a lot smarter, in the criminal way, than Uribe. I don't know the answer to that. But his association with that government--and of all things, the "false positives" murdering military--is one helluva big strike against him. Secondly, all of the above. He is the current darling of Washington DC and its corpo-fascist media propaganda machine--which has murdered millions for corporate gain. Strike 2. I'll hold back on Strike 3 because he made peace with Venezuela and is giving some little bits of land back to the peasants--whose advocates, however, are still being murdered (and we'll see what he does about that).

Overall, I think that Colombia is so drenched in the cocaine trade, and its relations with Washington are so drenched in that trillion dollar-plus revenue stream, on top of (or is it underneath?) corporate/war profiteer activities, that a somewhat less fascist regime isn't going to change things very much. Nothing much will change for the millions of poor in Colombia (and certainly not for their thousands of dead relatives, friends and advocates) though I have to say that peace is a blessing for the region, even if it's temporary. That is another reason I'm holding off on Strike 3 for Santos. Regional war would have been so much worse.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:58 PM
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7. not as much as he knows about Chavez and his corrupt administration
two million to Chavez' campaign, not to mention all the bribes.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 06:02 PM
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8. Ouch.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:39 PM
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3. It got a lot more dicey for JuanMa Santos today.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 11:41 PM by rabs


Hardcore uribista Luis Carlos Restrepo

Restrepo is an uribista fanatic and one of the men closest to alvarito. He was uribito's man in charge of the false demobilizations of the AUC paras and the fake demobilizations of alleged FARC members (they were recruited by the uribistas and paid to pose as FARC).

Today Restrepo declared uribista war on Santos, saying his government cannot go beyond 2014. Restrepo called for debate to begin on who will succeed Santos. Restrepo's remarks were the harshest against Santos by the uribistas so far.

Restrepo said "uribismo won the elections, but lost the government."

"Although politicians are used to lying, there are lies that are impossible to believe, such as saying that there no longer are FARC guerrillas in Venezuela."

"Santos offered to pass from democratic security to democratic prosperity, hut there is nothing of either. Democratic security, which returned confidence in the nations, is now at risk."

Restrepo said he would begin traveling across Colombia to make the charges against the Santos government.

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Does not take much to realize that Restrepo got the go-ahead from alvarito for this attack on Santos.

Now we wait for JuanMa's reply.

It's getting "jugoso." (juicy)

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From Semana earlier this week. Things are not hunky-dory between JuanMa and alvarito. The magazine said that although JuanMa and uribito say they are "following the same idealogical road, it is evident that they are doing it from opposite sidewalks."

... si bien dicen caminar por la misma vía ideológica, evidentemente lo hacen desde aceras diferentes.




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:31 AM
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5. The uribistas are a vicious gang, aren't they? Who would have believed they'd be attacking
his former Defense Secretary like this?

Who would have expected this would be the direction Uribe would take, taking shots at the next President as his new obsession? Clearly he is hopping mad the Supreme Court prevented his run again for a new term.

Looks as if they got the little monster out just in time, doesn't it?

Thank you for this background. No way will we ever get this information from our corporate public perception molders.
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