There are far too many here that would sit on their fat arses complaining and let Sarah Palin in.

OK, I have been doing some research on the GOP and on the Tea Partiers and far far too much of what they say about supporters of the Democratic Party is true.

Democrats love to complain and do nothing it is why the GOP win.

We love to complain that a Democratic President is not going far enough, even though he runs the Executive and not the legislature. By doing so we lose the legislature and then indulge in even more complaints.

We have pretend supporters like Arianna Huffington that allow self declared racists like Amy Siskind to troll for supporters of Scott Brown.

Senate Democrats are at the moment SHIT. Really shit. However how much more shit will they be if Republicans get back up to 41 votes?

How well do you think a jobs package will do through that Senate? How well do you think ending DADT or DOMA will do?

If the Democratic Party sits on its big fat ugly arse Scott Brown could win.

A Kennedy seat.

A seat that is the foundation of the real base of the Democratic Party.

Would such a loss encourage blue dogs to move further left? Would it hell. They would argue that it is because the Democratic PArty is too far to the left.

There is a reason the Rethugs want this seat. They will use a Rethug victory to beat the Party down between now to November and beyond.

d Get in touch with a Coakley phonebank. Your life really does depemd on t.

A win for the Rethug means the res of the year debating and arguing impeachment. Nothing constructive will be done.

The Rethugs have woken up to the importance of this election, regardless of what you think of the candidate, the Democratic Party needs to do so well.

is stuck at "keeping THEM out."

Why sick of hearing the truth?

you can either have such-and-such Republican, who will not fight for any causes that you care about, or such-and-such Democrat, who will not fight for any causes that you care about.

So why shouldn't we stay home, or vote third party? Really? The outcome makes less and less difference any more.

in power until we can get enough Progressives, or dare I say, real moderates (not center right) in there so we can get something done. We are almost there, but we are not there yet.

We have at least 53 Senators in who would vote for just about anything we wanted. However, we have a handful of DINOs and Blue Dogs mucking up the works. If we let the right get ANY momentum at all we make it harder on ourselves to oust the DINOs and replace them with people who will vote like we would like to see. Instead of having only 7 seats to focus on, if we whine and throw tantrums, we will be up to 12 seats we have to replace. In fact, it could be even too late due to the destruction having these fools in charge could cause.

The problem is not that we don't have Progressives in the congress, and a great number of them. We do. They are actually in the majority. The problem is that we don't have enough. Retreating is not the way to get them.

There is no way the election of a Rethug to the Kennedy seat (my mums Home Sttate Cali), would move the agenda to the left. No way.

The Rethugs know what this election is about.

"you can either have such-and-such Republican, who will not fight for any causes that you care about, or such-and-such Democrat, who will not fight for any causes that you care about" -

are you saying the Democrats are as bad as Republicans?

That's what the Naderites said in Florida in 2000.

And still they don't get it. Smart people.

progressives in the Democratic Party, but they're tied to a hopelessly, irretrievably corrupt machine.

between the Ds and the Rs, you don't see very well.

And you don't see under the surface:

Simply said, the party that wins the median voter (among those who vote D or R) on the left-right scale, wins the election.

So both parties have to convince this median voter that they are "his" party -
so the Ds pretend to be more to the right than they really want to be,
and the Rs pretend to be more to the left than they really want to be ("compassionate conservatives" etc.).

That, of course, makes the difference seem smaller than it is.


And: It doesn't really matter how big the difference is. Even if it's small, the Ds are the best, and liberals should vote for them. Then the Ds will win more elections. And the median voter will move to the left - and both parties will follow him leftwards, the Ds because they want to, the Rs because they have to.

I heard that refrain over and over and over.

So you're telling me that Al Gore would have been the same president as G.W. Bush.

If all those non-voting liberals became voters, THAT would move the US leftwards. Then the Repubs would have to go leftwards too, to win elections.

The converse of that is also true, electoral losses to a bunch of tea baggers is going to push the Party further to the right. The losses will be blamed on being too Liberal and not the unheard not Liberal enough. Then the cry baby Ham Janeshires get further dumped on.

The GOP are a bunch of hard right extremists now. They need to be shown up for what they are and that means defeating them.

make the US government less conservative:

- The Repubs are 1000 times worse.

- The more the Dems win, the more liberal they will dare to be. And the more "compassionate" the Repubs will try to seem (like Bush did in 2000, after the Democratic victories in 1992 and 1996).

The Democrats have majorities in the House and Senate and a president who claims to be a Democrat yet they continue to cave into the right claiming "they don't have the votes".

Senate rules about the filibuster could be changed, but if that happens the Democrats might acutally have to get something done.

I've begun to think the Democratic members of Congress are happier in the minority becuase then they can campaign on "if we were in charge things would be different". Now that they are in charge, they have to explain why we're still being sold out to corporations so the new tactic is to just tell us to STFU. On the one hand we're being told the party doesn't need the left - but it will be our fault if it loses seats. It can't be both ways.

Democrats were hired to clean up the mess not dump pig vomit all over the place and pretend it is industrial strength cleaner.

The not left enough bullshit is the furthest thing from my mind. The problem is they aren't doing shit but window dressing and selling the country out to corporate interests as quick as they can. Its not left and right but rather right and wrong here. Are the Republicans better? Of course not, but the differences in the really essential areas are shrinking to the point that I'd rather see the Confederates take the blame for destroying the country instead of blemishing what had been the party of the people and moreso liberal thinking in America.

Doing the people's business would make the party a lot more secure. Trust me you don't even want people phone banking who can't say much more than we're much more sane and less theocratic than the Republicans. What's that Sir? You lost your job because the banks shortened your companies credit line after the bailout? Uh-huh, Sir what I tell you that Democrats acknowledge science and a fair amount of them would vote for a far too moderate climate bill but not enough to pass it.

You go get off your fat ugly ass and GOTV, I'm sure the centrists will be energized and ready to go so you'll have plenty of help. Go get with some Reagan Democrats to lend a hand, you can always count on them unless they get caught up with Joe the Plumber's towering rhetoric, wanna drink a beer with Dubya, or think Palin is HAWT.

The OP pissed me off and was responed to as such. That tone is not much of a rally point. The only choice of corporate parties I'm selecting is NONE.

Martha needs your help NOW - so even if you can't make it to an event - you can still help by donating any amount at
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or by emailing or calling headquarters to see how you can volunteer - office@marthacoakley.com Phone: (617) 241-0200

In Case you having been following the new closely:
An independent group, the American Future Fund, will be spending $300,000 on television advertisements in this senate race between now and January 12. The American Future Fund is a conservative organization whose leaders helped produce the Willie Horton advertisement used against Governor Dukakis and the Swift Boat advertisement used against Senator Kerry. While we have not yet seen the advertisement; we expect it will be negative against Martha. We also expect that the Fund will spend significant additional funds between January 12 and election day, January 19.This is a significant development in the race. Combining the Brown campaign and the American Future Fund spending, we are currently slated to be outspent on television

The latest Rasmussen poll finds Scott Brown narrowing Martha's lead to only nine points - and
> Among voters who are "absolutely certain they will vote, Brown pulls to within two points of Coakley," OUCH!

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When we woke up this morning here in Boston, my husand and read in the Boston Globe that she is up by 15 points, but we don't want to take any chances!

Please don't let the Republicans STEAL our 60th vote!

Send $5, $10, but please send something!

This sky is falling crap is getting old.

That is what the WDC Dems have been failing to do.

I hope the Mass seat stays blue.

My mom is helping.

We warned the country the invasion of Iraq would be a tragedy. We warned of the precarious state of the economy even though the Dow was soaring. People who are constantly behind the curve on the big issues better start listening to us if what you want is a better country. And I'm going to toot my horn because I can play.

Like we did in 2008 (even after the VERY divisive Primary)..... except this time I don't foresee a divisive Primary, so it will be even less turmoil.

the left. Unless they start doing something about the issues they ran on, people will not see any reason to support them. I'm not worried about people who are online, they may rally around, although Dems need to do something about their online operatives, they are worse than rightwingnuts. It is people in the real world, Independents and others who voted for real change and aren't happy at all about seeing the continuation of Bush's policies, no accountability for the collapse of the economy, the expansion of war, war criminals still being protected etc, Wall St. bailed out while ordinary people are left to fend for themselves etc.

It isn't all about party loyalty for most Americans. They want results. This health care debate showed many of the base that the Party as it is now, only cares about them when there's an election. Just like now. That is not a winning strategy and it's hard now to try to keep people in the Party.

I just don't see anything as divisive as 2008 in the Primary.


If someone more progressive than Barack (which wouldn't be difficult) wants to challenge him... more power to them. It won't be Hillary (she isn't to the left of Barack anyway... but I think she has more guts than he does).

What I wanted most from the Obama administration (or Hillary if she had won):

1) Better economy with more jobs

2) Better healthcare with a Public Option

3) Better Civil Rights (GLBT rights, among others)



IN THAT ORDER

She will win the seat, just maybe not by as much as she thought.

YOU!