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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:40 PM
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Axelrod: Rove is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.
What Karl Rove got wrong on the U.S. deficit

By David Axelrod
Friday, January 15, 2010
For its Topic A feature last Sunday, The Post invited a panel of political operatives to offer their advice to the Democratic Party on strategy for 2010 . Improbably, one of the operatives asked was Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's longtime chief strategist.

Rove has some impressive campaign victories to his credit. But given the shape in which the last administration left this country, I'm not sure I would solicit his advice. And given the backhanded advice he offered, I'm not sure he was all that eager to help.

Of all the claims Rove made, one in particular caught my eye for its sheer audacity and shamelessness -- that congressional Democrats "will run up more debt by October than Bush did in eight years."

So, let's review a little history:

The day the Bush administration took over from President Bill Clinton in 2001, America enjoyed a $236 billion budget surplus -- with a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion. When the Bush administration left office, it handed President Obama a $1.3 trillion deficit -- and projected shortfalls of $8 trillion for the next decade. During eight years in office, the Bush administration passed two major tax cuts skewed to the wealthiest Americans, enacted a costly Medicare prescription-drug benefit and waged two wars, without paying for any of it.

To put the breathtaking scope of this irresponsibility in perspective, the Bush administration's swing from surpluses to deficits added more debt in its eight years than all the previous administrations in the history of our republic combined. And its spending spree is the unwelcome gift that keeps on giving: Going forward, these unpaid-for policies will continue to add trillions to our deficit.

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President Obama and Congress crafted the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Despite Rove's assertion, it is widely accepted that the difficult but necessary steps Obama took have helped save our economy from an even deeper disaster. And while Rove conveniently ignores that it was President Bush -- not Obama -- who signed into law the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program bailout for banks, the Obama administration's rigorous stewardship added transparency and accountability that have cut the expected cost of that program by two-thirds.

At the same time, we also recognize that we need to address the long legacy of overspending in Washington. That is why, shortly after taking office, Obama instructed his agency heads to go through the budget page by page, line by line, to eliminate what we don't need to help pay for what we do.

As a start, the president proposed billions of dollars in cuts, and he'll continue to fight for them and others in the upcoming budget. An analysis by the Washington Times concluded that in this first year, Obama had been more successful in getting his proposed cuts through Congress than his predecessor was in any of his eight years in office.

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:51 PM
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1. Franken said that in the Senate
I hope all the Dems start saying this -- like on the Sunday gab fests when the repugs spew lie after lie after lie. I'd love to hear Shumer or Levin or Leahy or whomever say "you're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts." It sure makes the point....

Franken slams GOP on Senate floor: ‘You’re not entitled to your own facts’

WASHINGTON -- In a few moments of heated but controlled anger on the Senate floor Monday evening, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) slammed Sen. John Thune (R-SD) and the GOP for essentially lying about the nature of the Democratic health care bill, suggesting they haven't read it.

"We are entitled to our own opinions; we're not entitled to our own facts," Franken said. "Benefits kick in right away."

more at link:

http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/12/franken-slams-gop-senate-floor-youre-entitled-facts/

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:07 PM
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6. ah yes .... that was lovely wasn't it. NT
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:56 PM
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2. Axelrod's facts are better than Rove's facts.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 12:36 PM
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7. And yet...
"When the Bush administration left office, it handed President Obama a $1.3 trillion deficit."

That includes the stimulus. Surely Axelrod knows that the stimulus wasn't a * initiative and signed by *. But there it is. I disagree with Axelrod's fact.

It's one thing to make the claim that the state of affairs required a massive deficit increase with Obama's signature. It's another thing to deny the signature was Obama's.

Just as he knows that * signed the TARP legislation but Congress refused to hand over half the money--and * had no problem with it and said he wasn't going to request it by himself. The second half the TARP funding was requested and disbursed by Obama's request, and Pelosi said she confirmed this and it was released only because of that. Axelrod's fact is true--it was approved while * was in office. Facts are mute.

Axelrod's problem is he wants to get to a specific kind of conclusion for a specific purpose. He could achieve them by means of a harder argument that the facts arguably do support support. Instead, he makes the easy argument that neither the facts or context entirely support. And I'm being charitable here; I mean, $1.3 trillion deficit on the day * left office when $789 billion of that amount, over half, simply wasn't present, and Axelrod's boss personally requested that $350 billion be left for him.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:58 PM
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3. Yep
And once again it is up to the Democrats to clean up the mess made left by republicans.

Obama IS kicking ass.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:01 PM
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4. I like this part right away..
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 10:03 PM by Cha
"And given the backhanded advice he offered, I'm not sure he was all that eager to help."

Don't know what prompted this but I take it rove opened his big mouth again..

And, all it did was give David Axelrod an opening to state what actually happened..Reality! Fresh Feeling~
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 10:02 PM
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5. Keep it coming.
We need to keep pounding away on this message. Send out an army fo hit all the shows, every day, pounding out these same lines. Again and again.

Crush the reich wingers at their own game.

Julie
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