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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:03 PM
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Narrow Senate Race Unnerves Democrats on Health Care
come on Dems. get to the polls on Tues.



Narrow Senate Race Unnerves Democrats on Health Care
http://www.nytimes.com/20...6/us/politics/16dems.html

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WASHINGTON — With their party’s candidate struggling in Massachusetts in a race for what should be the safest of Senate seats, Congressional Democrats are growing increasingly unnerved about the political consequences of the health care overhaul even as their leadership closes in on a final agreement....

....Now the prospect of Attorney General Martha Coakley of Massachusetts losing on Tuesday in the special election to fill the seat of the late Edward M. Kennedy — the longtime champion of a health care overhaul — is intensifying anxiety among Democrats who were already worried about the 2010 midterm election environment.

Democrats warn of panic in the ranks should the Republican candidate, Scott Brown, prevail. Highlighting the sense that the political climate is shifting rapidly, the White House announced Friday that President Obama would travel to Massachusetts on Sunday to campaign for Ms. Coakley, hoping to generate Democratic enthusiasm in a contest that will hinge on turnout. The decision to put the president’s political prestige on the line after the White House initially said he would not make a trip was a gauge of how seriously the administration was taking the threat.

A victory by Mr. Brown could cause the fragile Democratic coalition behind the health legislation to unravel and put approval of the measure itself in jeopardy. Were he to win and take his seat before final consideration of the health legislation, Democrats would be one vote short of the 60 needed to get the bill through the Senate.
..:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:06 PM
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1. Want to know how angry some Dems are in Mass?


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:08 PM
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3. The Senate's middle class tax that is in HCR will create a backlash
And the "deal" between Labour honchos with the White House is too little, and much too late, to change the minds of the rank and file.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:12 PM
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6. How do you know they're Democrats? n/t


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:21 PM
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9. They are not Democrats
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:37 PM
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11. you do not know for sure that they are not dems.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:38 PM
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12. They endorsed Giuliani.
It's not like they changed thier preference for Republicans this year.

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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:30 PM
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24. may be some did and some did not.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:20 PM
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19. Your glorious links don't point to Local 509 SEIU
only to police fraternal organizations.

You know who is not a Democrat? The assholes in the Senate that scuttled the public option and decided to impose a mandate with a middle class tax to go with it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:29 PM
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22. SEIU Local 509
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 03:29 PM by ProSense
SEIU Local 509

How do you know that the people in the photo are Democrats?

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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:35 PM
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10. mmmm...
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:51 PM
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13. What on earth?
SEIU certainly does not support Brown. They are spending over half a million dollars on anti-Brown ads:
http://www.seiu.org/2010/01/seiu-members-expose-the-real-scott-brown-1.php

Is this photo real? If so, it was probably some rogue members wearing SEIU t-shirts.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:52 PM
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14. Well they are very, very foolish if they think Brown is the answer.
The Democrats are trying to help them. Brown will not care. He is lying.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:54 PM
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16. Actually, there doesn't seem to be to many of them and as someone else said,
they could be Republicans.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:00 PM
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27. I seriously doubt those are DEMS just more Freeper nonsense, they want Brown soo bad nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:06 PM
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2. You are not going to get them to the polls using the horrible HCR as a war cry!
You win by attacking Brown for the phony that he is, and by having Coakley denounce the travesty that is the Senate's HCR, and endorsing a public option.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:08 PM
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4. The HCR Bill will pass. Despite your rooting for Repukes...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:19 PM
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8. Bingo...
:thumbsup:
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:21 PM
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20. +1
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:11 PM
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5. Panic mode! Water down the bill some more!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:13 PM
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28. LOL- exactly
Gotta admit, even I've been impressed at how tone deaf the administration and congress has been over this whole fiasco. Thus far, they haven't missed a chance to turn a popular and effective provision into an unpopular one that panders to and empowers the very groups that caused the problems in the first place!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:14 PM
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7. So, they will make it worse to get Snowe's vote.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:53 PM
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15. Yup. This "reform" will become even more punitive.
n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 02:57 PM
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17. You're a sick puppy, if you want Brown to win. n/t
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:23 PM
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21. this is where the far left meets the far right in an unholy alliance
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shopgreen Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:32 PM
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25. I hope you are not inferring I want Brown to win.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:41 PM
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26. "I want Brown to win"? You want brown to win?!
If so then you're on the wrong board, sucker.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:19 PM
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29. Some folks will say anything
though one suspects that deep down inside, many realize that they're on the wrong side of the devolving issues.

Even good soldiers like Dean finally acknowledged that enough was enough.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:15 PM
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18. I am not un nerved.. I plan to be busy, doing what I can from a long distance.. just saying..
I want Coakley to win.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:38 PM
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30. Right..we have nerves of steel as
I'm sure the Dems do in Mass..the corporatemediawhores and some bloggers just have to stir the crack pot for their bottom line.
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:38 PM
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23. The situation seems to be because MA have a similar plan but this plan is cheaper, more bonuses...
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 03:52 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
So if they feel they are getting the same deal is not. We need to give it a shot. There are those under the plan in MA, who say it works it's just the cost that concerns folks, the Obama plan will be significantly cheaper. Obviously, not everything single payer could be, but an advancement over what they ave. For all we fought to get this far (and we can go further) it's the biggest tragedy and sadness for Ted's seat not to see this to the finish line. If 2010 becomes 1994 then we will relive history Pres. Obama will become incrementally more Republican, as the amount of conservatives in Congress growing with people's sense of pessimism. We finally reach 2016, and say hello to the wonderful President Jeb Bush. Isn't history fun, no not really, in this instance.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:24 PM
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31. I thought needing 60 was just an "excuse?"
so glad to see someone on the left admitting it is true.

And then of course, nothing else will pass. So i'll be expecting zero complaints from anyone who is willing to go this far to let HCR die.
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