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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:19 PM
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Mass: In a somewhat paradoxical finding...

Poll: Mass. Voters Protested Against Weak Wall Street, Health Care Policies

by Sam Stein and Ryan Grim

Massachusetts voters who backed Barack Obama in the presidential election one year ago and either switched support to Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown, or simply stayed home, said in a poll conducted after the election Tuesday night that if Democrats enact tougher policies on Wall Street, they'll be more likely to come back to the party in the next election.

A majority of Obama voters who switched to Brown said that "Democratic policies were doing more to help Wall Street than Main Street."

A full 95 percent said the economy was important or very important when it came to deciding their vote.

In a somewhat paradoxical finding, a plurality of voters who switched to the Republican -- 37 percent -- said that Democrats were not being "hard enough" in challenging Republican policies.

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More please?

OMG!

:rofl:
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:21 PM
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1. Well, giving the Republicans 41 Senate votes is a truly fantastic way to solve THAT problem.
:eyes:
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:22 PM
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2. When you're pissed off you vote for the party out of power
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:23 PM
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5. Not me. n/t
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:25 PM
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8. Me neither. But a lot of people do, including the ones in your article.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:27 PM
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11. This has always been true of some Independents and moderates
flawed logic.

They're like Bayh and Lieberman.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:36 PM
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21. Then why would you call it paradoxical?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:23 PM
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3. They were really drunk at the time
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/mcgrory_seduced.html
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:23 PM
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4. Harry Truman said it. He was right
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:24 PM by Recursion
People will prefer an actual Republican over someone who just acts like one.

Mock them, turn up your nose at them, etc. all you want. But Democrats who cave to Republicans get beat by Republicans.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:24 PM
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6. Oh, that'll show them n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:27 PM
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10. It's not about "showing" anybody; it's about trust and respect
People trust politicians who have and work on an agenda rather than waffling.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:29 PM
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14. No, it's about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
When you do this in a general election is grandstanding.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:47 PM
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24. You can pout about independents and call them stupid all you want
But they won't vote for us until we start actually accomplishing something.
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:24 PM
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7. See what happens
the base is not above giving a big fuck you to the party for not doing what is right
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:25 PM
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9. Yup, that'll show them. n/t
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:29 PM
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13. so then what is your solution
now that you've seen what lengths some in the party are willing to go to stop it from being weak on policy. they were willing to derail the entire fucking agenda. because we aren't progressive enough. because we have taken a lilly ass approach to HCR and wall street reform
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:30 PM
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16. Call people stupid. Spam DU all day. The usual. eom
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:31 PM
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17. Irony alert. n/t
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:33 PM
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18. No irony. You are DU's most prolific spammer. None of us holds a candle to you. eom
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:36 PM
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22. I'm still waiting on your grand tome
on how to win elections and fix the party. I think everyone should demand that ProSense produce his/her manifesto on how to win elections going forward. because he/she knows so much
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:34 PM
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19. No i want to hear ProSense response
apparently he/she is right all the time, and has the inside track on how all Democrats nationally should behave and act,think, he/she thinks that he/she knows the best for people to act is to fall lock-step inline with the President and his DLC cronies, when obviously the people of Mass had other ideas. so what now? where-ever this person is the party needs to quit spending money there if they are..
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:30 PM
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15. So what's your point here, ProSense?
I mean, other than to demonstrate that you don't know diddly squat about voters or elections. Again, how about getting off your keester and doing some phonebanking and canvassing so as to educate yourself.
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:35 PM
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20. but campaigning requires actual thought processes
about where you are, what you are selling, and who you selling it to.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:27 PM
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12. Here's some food for thought
The poll also upends the conventional understanding of health care's role in the election. A plurality of people who switched -- 48 -- and didn't vote -- 43 -- said that they opposed the Senate health care bill. But the poll dug deeper and asked people why they opposed it. Among Brown voters, 23 percent thought it went "too far" -- but 36 percent thought it didn't go far enough; 41 percent said they weren't sure why they opposed it.

For voters who stayed home and opposed health care, a full 53 percent said they opposed the Senate health care bill because it didn't go far enough; 39 percent weren't sure and only eight percent thought it didn't go far enough.

I'm going to guess in the second para they meant 8% thought the Senate bill went too far. This means that the batshit crazy progressives had a point.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:41 PM
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23. That sounds insane on the surface, but it fits what some of the farthest RW talking heads are saying
They are now AGAINST the big government, deficit spending ways of GWB, who went astray. They then argue that deficit spending makes Bush a liberal(!!) They then argue that they are the real Reagan conservatives because he cut taxes and had no deficit spending (!!) They argue if they hold true to those values (which I think are mostly - no taxes) they will gain back the American people.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:55 PM
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26. At which point they will do anything to retain power
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 02:56 PM by BeyondGeography
such as cut taxes, reward their donors with gov't contracts, and stay away from middle class entitlements i.e. medicare, SS, the mortgage interest and property tax deductions, etc. Rinse, lather, repeat.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:51 PM
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25. People prefer global financial meltdowns over rescuing financial markets from complete collapse
The financial mess in the banking, housing, stock market sectors needs to be addressed over a series of policy changes, which oddly take more than a year.

The President needs more than a year to fix an economy that perhaps is worse than the Great Depression in less than a year.

The President doesn't have monarchistic powers where he or she can decree laws and rules that global markets then have to bow to.

These basic issues are not what some voters think are reality. So they vote against their interests and help Republicans instead...

:shrug:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:57 PM
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27. Sorry but jobless recovery is an oxymoron
And they didn't have to do everything for the banks and little to nothing for average Americans the way they are doing. Agree that voting Republican is self-defeating but that's what voters do. Haven't we seen them doing exactly that for decades now?
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