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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:07 PM
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Kerry prefers House to pass Senate bill, Senate to use reconciliation

Kerry wants House to pass Senate health care bill

By Lisa Wangsness, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON -- Senator John Kerry said today his preferred route to completing health care reform is for the House to pass the Senate bill, and for the Senate to make it more digestible to the House by approving fixes through the reconciliation process, which allows legislation to pass the Senate by a simple majority instead of 60 votes.

House and Senate leaders believe this is the only realistic route left to passing a comprehensive health care bill this year, now that Massachusetts elected a Republican to fill the seat of the late Edward M. Kennedy, leaving Democrats without the crucial 60th vote they need to prevent a GOP filibuster of the final compromise bill. But it is not clear whether the House will agree to pass the Senate bill.

Kerry said he did not think voters would be angry about using the reconciliation process -- a procedural maneuver that would let Democrats do an end-run around Scott Brown -- as long as the fixes remove the "completely egregious items" that were in the bill, such as a special Medicaid deal for Nebraska that was included to get the vote of Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska.

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The key, Kerry said, is to treat all states fairly, and do it up-front so that the public understands it clearly. "I'm not for a single-state fix," he said.




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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:09 PM
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1. Here we GO!
Gotta thank the helpful ones in our government who are actually doing the work like Senator Kerry and all those who are working against the regressives.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:06 PM
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20. You said it! Let's get this show on the...
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 05:07 PM by YvonneCa
...road! Absolutely EXCELLENT! :patriot:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:13 PM
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2. Just.Do.it. Do it quickly and let's move the hell on!
This is really the only option. I don't know why there has even been a debate about it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:16 PM
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4. I would guess that it is because behind the scenes, they are crafting the reconciliation bill
It has to be good enough that the combination get enough House votes, while getting at least 50 Democratic votes. (Some have said 51, but isn't 50 and Biden enough)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:24 PM
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8. Right. I know the House wanted something in writing - a promise of some sort that the Senate WILL
do this for sure. I wish the 50 or so would sign the damn promise and the House would pass the Senate Bill.

The feeling like the entire thing could just go "Poof" and blow up or disappear at any time is nerve wracking, although it isn't as bad now as it was a few days ago when most of the Dems in Congress seemed to be panicking and saying ridiculous stuff - not that Kerry ever did.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:41 PM
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14. Kerry was essentially stating the same thing as to what needed fixing
and listing the good provisions - even in the interview the press had with Brown and Him in his office. I like that there and here - he did not defend the deals that allowed the Republicans to negatively define the bill and strove to define it by the good parts.
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/2010/01/21/Brown-meets-with-Kerry-on/1264090686.html

(a funny result of this, was that NECN asked Ayla Brown about Kerry's comment that she could be a closet supporter of his without noting he was clearly joking and he had just praised her for riding in the Pan Mass. She responded, "How did he know? Then said she had voted for him (2008 - given her age) because he was incredibly nice.

(In contrast, here is the McCain/Brown coverage - http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/2010/01/21/Brown-meets-with-McCain-says/1264093247.html )
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:13 PM
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3. This is actually the key to making it a political win
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 03:16 PM by karynnj
Kerry said he did not think voters would be angry about using the reconciliation process -- a procedural maneuver that would let Democrats do an end-run around Scott Brown -- as long as the fixes remove the "completely egregious items" that were in the bill, such as a special Medicaid deal for Nebraska that was included to get the vote of Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska.

If the Democrats do that, they MIGHT even get some Republican votes - once it is clear that it will pass with just Democrats. At minimum, it will mute the Republican talking point about it being unfair to treat Nebraska differently as the Democrats will remove that.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:30 PM
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12. Oh, FFS.
They aren't going to get any Republican votes. Never ever never, so stop giving away shit. I don't care about the pork for Nebraska. I do care about the antitrust exemption, and the public option, and drug re-importation, and pre-existing conditions. And all of those things should help the economy in the long run.

The people I've talked to despise the mandate without a public option, but are okay with the idea if there is a public option. Why not put the public option back in? It sounds like all they're trying to do is remove as few things as possible from the Senate bill and still pander to Republicans.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:48 PM
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16. You may not care about Nebraska pork, but it really really hurts our credibility
The goal here is to pass the best bill we can. It is not clear that drug re-importation or the public option can be done under reconciliation. The provisions on pre-existing conditions are IN the bill. (Yes, I know that they do not start immediately - they may be able to improve the timeline.

On drug re-importation. Why not do it as a stand alone bill. It had about 23 sponsors, including many who voted against it to save the bill. It would be hard to vote against it if it were not part of a humongous bill.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:19 PM
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5. When? WHEN?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:20 PM
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6. I don't see how they DON'T do this!
K&R.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:08 PM
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21. I agree. n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:21 PM
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7. So why not bring the House bill to the Senate and use reconciliation?
Why not bring an improved compromise to the Senate for reconciliation?

Why not shoot for something that should have been developed in the Senate had Reed and company taken it the reconciliation route in the first place, as they should have?

Why not try to restore some credibility to HCR?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:25 PM
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10. They need 60 for that. There is no 60 anymore.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:50 PM
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17. Because the Senate would then be the one that would have to pass it
and we don't have 60 votes.

The fact is that we could not get what we might be able to get with passing the Senate bill and changing it with a reconciliation bill without having passed the Senate bill first.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:25 PM
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9. Thanks again Sen Kerry. NT
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elmerdem Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:29 PM
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11. but Jane Hamsher will be pissed! nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:42 PM
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15. Is there a day in the week when she isn't angry at him?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:33 PM
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22. Aw, poor Jane, she will get over it. n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:31 PM
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13. Good. We need to get this done, asap.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:39 PM
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18. Thought that..
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 04:51 PM by politicasista
Kerry was everything wrong with the Senate cause he too much of a gentlemen. :eyes: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

OTOH, Are they going to still do away with the Public Option or add it later? Thought that Obama said he wasn't going to sign any bill without a public option, unless the votes aren't there anymore.:shrug: Very much understand that at this point, something is better than nothing.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:04 PM
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19. YES! Thank goodness for...
...Senator Kerry. EXCELLENT! :patriot:
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