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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:20 AM
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Why didn't someone yell ''single payer'' or ''public option'' when Obama asked for a better idea?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:20 AM
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1. R-e-s-p-e-c-t? nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:21 AM
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3. Respect also includes not lying to a person's face. As if nobody had suggested Single Payer! n t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:25 AM
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9. It wasn't the place. What would it have accomplished? Nobody "lied" to him
by not shouting it out. I DO hope somebody drops by the Office and says "well, since you asked..."
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:28 AM
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12. since single payer and public option advocates were shut out of the negotiations...
at least they would have been heard in Congress.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:29 AM
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13. And again I ask, what would it have accomplished? nt
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:00 PM
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20. it might have forced the talking heads to talk about it and maybe one of them would have grown a
brain cell and asked someone in the administration why single payer and public option advocates were shut out and that Tauzin creep and other insurance and pharma lobbyist had an all access pass to the White House and Senate.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:30 AM
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15. The Prez. still hasn't learned that telling an obvious lie hurts his credibility...
Remember "I never campaigned on Single Payer"? How in the world does saying things like this or the above help the President move his agenda forward? The point is, it is an insult for the President to suggest he has heard no better suggestion than those contained in the Senate and House bills. The story was supposed to be that the President really wanted all that progressive stuff (like the Single Payer plan he sometimes campaigns on) but that the big-bad Republicans won't let him have them.

Now he claims he's heard no better ideas than those contained in the heavily compromised ("bipartisan") bills in Congress? Really? Has David Axelrod not heard of Youtube? :shrug:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:45 AM
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16. Context is king. So is accuracy.
Single payer upsets millions of people who *like* their Cadillac plans, their insurance companies.

Oh, and "I never campaigned on Single Payer" is a mis-firing neuron on your part. He actually *never* campaigned on enacting single payer, and you cannot find me a single YouTube video which says otherwise. Go ahead and look.

The most you'll find is strong support for a different plan, a "public option". That's not the same as single payer.

You're also putting words into his mouth, he did not say "he has heard no better suggestion", he said he wanted to hear options.

Hearing something, and agreeing with it, are different things.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:51 AM
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17. Well, if the President is confused as to what he supports, one can hardly blame me
Of course I shouldve said "public option".

That correction made, the rest of my post stands. :hi:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:20 AM
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19. Presidents don't write legislation.
Sausage-making is ugly.... and part of the *downside* of greater transparency is that a President can ask for a bagel, and once congress is done, he gets an avocado-bacon burrito flavored with kosher salt.

When it's hidden, the president can claim a win on his "bagel".

When it's as public as this issue... well, we can all see how it turned out.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:46 PM
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25. Yes, Obama did campaign on it. He said he was a strong advocate.
He said this just a few short years ago when he campaigning as US Senator. Now of course he feels free to break that promise to the people.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:04 PM
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21. have people who voted for Obama been respected? or shut out to make room for insurance & Wall St?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:21 AM
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2. Because it was the SOTU Address.
Shouting things out like it's Improv Night would be pretty fucking low-rent.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:21 AM
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4. wasn't he asking the Republicans because they were opposing everything ?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:22 AM
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5. Bwhaha! Do you think that would have made it so? nt
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:23 AM
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6. Because it's not Def Comedy Jam?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:24 AM
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7. Because it would have served no purpose.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:24 AM
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8. I did, but he just couldn't hear me through the computer.
Oh, you mean our Congress? :rofl: They stopped giving a shit about our views a long time ago, it seems. The majority of Congress certainly does not really try hard to stand up for us any more.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:26 AM
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10. I haven't yelled at my TV like that since the 9/11 Commission
when they spent more time kissing Condi's ass than asking questions.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:09 PM
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23. Me too
Not that it would have done any good even if he HAD heard it.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:28 AM
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11. I think those types are pretty much not members of Congress or the Senate,
Edited on Thu Jan-28-10 12:28 AM by truedelphi
And if they live inside the Beltway they're already knowwn for doing things like that and so they are banned.

The Code Pink crowd and all the rest of us.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:29 AM
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14. Because no one wanted to look as stupid as Joe Wilson did when he had an outburst last time.
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:52 AM
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18. I was yelling it at the TV
my daughter came out of her room and asked me why I was yelling :)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:06 PM
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22. Because those aren't better ideas.
Since they have no chance of passing through Congress, they're just pipe dreams.

And pipe dreams are not better ideas than real reform.

But I think you already knew that and are just being purposefully obtuse.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:48 PM
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26. I have a dream....
is dead, eh?

And the audacity of hope is long gone.

Thanks for the confirmation.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 08:30 PM
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29. I have a dream that you'll stop being purposefully obtuse.
But that's also a pipe dream.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 01:10 PM
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24. If only someone had yelled...
I'm sure that would have made him change course...

Maybe they would be a celebrity for a day like Joe Wilson, but what would be accomplished besides headlines of "divided Democrats screaming at their President"?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 02:11 PM
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27. people already know Dems are divided--and Obama is backing the corrupt minority
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 02:19 PM
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28. It seemed to me that President Obama was intending that part at the Repukes. He was looking right
at them when he said it. So, he was challenging the Repukes to come up with better ideas than what had already been proferred.
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