Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

New York Times corroborates New Yorker claim (Rahm opposes civilian trials for 9-11 plotters)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
ohiodemocratic Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:09 PM
Original message
New York Times corroborates New Yorker claim (Rahm opposes civilian trials for 9-11 plotters)
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 05:15 PM by ohiodemocratic
As reported previously by the New Yorker, Rahm Emanuel has disagreed with Eric Holder regarding whether 9-11 plotters should be tried in civilian courts or military tribunals.

Today, the New York Times' Jodi Kantor and Charlie Savage make the same assertion, quoting Rahm Emanuel directly:

Mr. Emanuel, , said his disagreement with Mr. Holder is rooted in different perspectives, not personalities. “You can’t close Guantánamo without Senator Graham, and K.S.M. was a link in that deal,” he said, referring to Mr. Mohammed.


So there you have it: We can't try KSM on civilian court because Lindsey Graham will get mad and not help close Guantanamo, or something to that effect. Compare the paragraph to this one from the New Yorker:

“Rahm felt very, very strongly that it was a mistake to prosecute the 9/11 people in the federal courts, and that it was picking an unnecessary fight with the military-commission people,” the informed source said. “Rahm had a good relationship with Graham, and believed Graham when he said that if you don’t prosecute these people in military commissions I won’t support the closing of Guantánamo. . . . Rahm said, ‘If we don’t have Graham, we can’t close Guantánamo, and it’s on Eric!’ ”


Some Rahm defenders might reply "well, no denial doesn't mean it's true." But this is highly naive. Perhaps high officials wont' bother fact-checking an inaccurate Daily Kos diary written by an anonymous diarist, or one written by me; or a claim made by a small newspaper in say, Idaho. But this is different. We are talking about the New Yorker Magazine, the Washington Post (saying Axelrod acknowledged the rift) and the New York Times which politicians read every day; and these outlets are quoting Emanuel directly.

In the past, when rumors were spread, they were shot down:

White House Denies Ha'aretz Report on Rahm Emanuel
Emanuel denies any plan to leave White House job
Rahm Denies Mayoral Run




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
brand404 Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
1. Seriously, has Rahm EVER been right? -- The sad thing is Obama will follow
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
2. Which proves he doesn't run everything
Because he lost this debate, and the administration has vowed to move forward with a trial in federal, not military, courts.

So you can stop adhering to the conspiracy theory that Rahm Emanuel runs the White House.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ohiodemocratic Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. I never said Rahm runs everything or has great power
Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 05:52 PM by ohiodemocratic
i criticize his views. When someone advocates something I don't like, I criticize that person, regardless of his/her power. If Dennis Kucinich, Evan Bayh or whoever said military tribunals are awesome, I would criticize him.
Rahm has some power, though. He's in his job for a reason. But President Obama has the last word.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Actually he didn't say military tribunals were awesome
He said that in his opinion The President was going to need to make a choice between closing Guantanamo and trying KSM in a civilian court and that he thought the better choice would be to close Guantanamo.

Obviously the President either thought he could do both or decided that he preferred to try KSM in a civilian court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I didn't mean you in particular
So let me apologize for writing it that way. I should have said "people" in general. Because it is a very prevalent conception here and elsewhere on the Internets. But I acknowledge that you did not say that. So again, sorry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ohiodemocratic Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. No problem nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 12:16 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC