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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:40 PM
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The media is creating a narrative that the GOP will win this year.
This narrative is going to bite us in the ass if we don't figure out a way to squash it. Every night the national news has discussed Teabagger conferences, and "New Republican" meetings. they're comparing the current environment to Regan's early movement for conservatism.

I'm not trying to be all "concerned" about our future, but I'd like to hear other comments about this narrative that I see. Is it just me or what?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:41 PM
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1. Of course they are ...

... and we're helping them.

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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:54 PM
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18. +1
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:05 AM
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27. It's true, I stay out of General / Presidential for that reason.
Why get my blood pressure up.
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State the Obvious Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:50 PM
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2. This is a snowball rolling down a mountain of snow.....
...it will get bigger,....... unless it is stopped early.

Come on Dems, think of something! :think:
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:55 PM
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3. The Dems set the stage by doing JACK SHIT with their majority. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:58 PM
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5. Yep.....the Dems should have been able to "tame" the media......
like it has been for the last 15 years!

That's why in the last 15 years Clinton was impeached,
elections were stolen,
and Iraq and Wall street happened;
because of Dem majorities! Yeah....that's the ticket! :eyes:
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:01 AM
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19. No, the Democrats did not seperate themselves from "business as usual"
by coming on strong and sounding principled. I can't believe some are still not getting it. If we lose the next election it is our own making.

EVERYONE wants strong and principled leadership. The part that makes the most forceful case and **is believed** will win. So far, the Republicans are gaining ground because they are seen as "Principled". Of course their "principles" suck, but what the alternative cozies up to corporate power that leaves people wondering and those who are not paying as much attention will fall for it.

The BEST thing that Obama could do right now would be to jettison Geitner and bring on a very serious AG. Independents and moderate Rs are entirely focused on those few appointments.

Honestly, it would take so doggone little, a few dramatic changes in personel and going after the banker/theives in Washington and the tide would turn dramatically. I have NEVER seen such an obvious route to populism it is staring us in the face, but why are our leaders so oblivious to it?
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NoFace Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:00 AM
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21. I agree...Obama held out his hand for a shake and we all got slapped in the face. NT
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:00 PM
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37. I can not disagree with you. Some things were done, but not the big things that should have been.
I think we should asked them if they really want to be the majority and if they do what they plan to do differently if given a second chance. There is no point having a majority if you are afraid to lead with it and make the changes that are needed to help this country.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:56 PM
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4. And it's a racist "Movement" at that!
in 2010, guess the media wanted some excitement,
and they don't care what forms in comes in.

I hate the Corporate media with a passion.

They are the worse thing that ever happened to America,
especially since 1996! :grr:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:11 PM
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17. What happened in 1996?
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 10:13 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
Oh yeah, now I remember. Silly me. :puke:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:04 AM
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26. Yes, this is the worst part of it all. The media is not calling them out on their racist shit.
But when Clinton says something that could be interpreted as racist they spent a whole fucking week discussing it ad infinitum.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:58 PM
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6. This is the same media that claimed....
Obama could not beat Hillary, and after he did that he could not win the white house because he could not get the working class white vote. I take very little stock in media predictions.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:05 PM
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8. Then the media trotted out Joe the plumber to prove Obama couldn't get working-class whites
I remember it well.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:00 AM
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22. I admit that's partially true, and it does give reason for optimism.
But it doesn't change the fact that they've been hammering this teabagger shit down my throat on *national* *local* news.

(I don't have cable TV and wouldn't watch cable news if my life depended on it.)
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shoopnyc Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:59 PM
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7. yes they are...and it's ridiculous...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:16 PM
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9. Of COURSE that's their narrative. And they never let the facts get in the way...
They KEEP saying Obama's approval is sliding-is in the mid-40s-despite Gallup having him at his highest approval in MONTHS.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:03 AM
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25. I think a tight or a loss for the dems would sell better than a win.
People would be glued to the screens to see the "upset." And that's why they're creating a completely false picture.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:18 PM
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10. Including NPR, I had to turn the radio off this morning after hearing all about
everything the "Democrat Party" is doing wrong from some republicon douche nozzle.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:19 PM
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11. It's not just you.
The media is a big part of the problem, and has been for years.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:21 PM
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12. Democrats are going to hold press conferences in each State, pushing back against


all the false stimulus rumors........don't know when exactly, but in the next several weeks.

We need to FIGHT back!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:02 AM
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24. I hope that happens!
Got a link for it?
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:49 PM
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13. Yes, and continually parroted here as well.
No, it's not just you.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:02 PM
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14. Fact is the polls ain't looking so good, and there have been some "issues" with Virginia, New Jersey
and Massachusetts.

Not exactly the stuff momentum is built from.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:17 PM
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15. It Is Absolutely All In Democratic Party Hands.
.

Doing nothing is not an option. The Democratic Party has exhausted every possible excuse trying to avoid doing the right thing. The people voted for Democratic members of Congress and a Democratic President to GOVERN.

All members of the Democratic Party have run out of excuses, it is time. No more half-stepping, no more posturing. No more 'sun was in my eyes and it was too dark to see, the world is flat no body likes me' excuses. It is time to begin to govern.

Bring the major legislative action on Health Care to an "Up Or Down" vote. No excuses.

Should any piece of Democratic legislation be threatened with a filibuster, the Democratic Party response MUST be "Bring it to the floor. Give the piece of legislation an up or down vote."

Bring on the vote. Vote it up. Govern!

It is this simple. Govern and the people will support; do nothing and you deserve nothing but scorn.

Ema Nymton
~@:o?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:01 AM
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23. Thank you for your post, loved it.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:26 PM
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16. have said it before, I will say it again...
The CURRENT elected representatives in congress along with President Obama need to

STOMP on some toes. get mean. Get tough. grow some balls. develop some intestinal fortitude. Grow some GODDAMN TEETH!!!


PASS the Public Option, and sign it into law. {Possibly another stimulus this time aimed squarely at main street.}


the rest will take care of itself.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:16 PM
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35. Something dramatic and substantial,
like passing the Public Option would probably do the trick Fro. Playing it safe and moderate just hasn't worked for the Dems. The country is not in that mindset and our representatives are misreading the mood of the people.

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:04 AM
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20. If they can get public option through by Reconciliation and show that the economy
has improved, the Dems won't be as bad off. But they had better show some spine and QUICK!!!

PASS THE PUBLIC OPTION NOW!!!!!!!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:06 AM
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28. BTW, thank you all for commenting, I did not mean to do a hit and run.
I got distracted and forgot I'd made this post. Thanks for all of your comments.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:24 AM
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29. What else is new?
The M$M has been pulling our collective chain for many a year.

Sometimes I wish I could gobsmack them from here to eternity.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:01 AM
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30. They did this before bears went in the woods.
:rofl: Politicians always win elections and the people always lose :rofl:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:03 AM
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31. After their epic fail Guiliana v Clinton prediction, they should get out of
the soothsayer business.
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obamaisbestone Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:15 PM
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32. They also created the Scott Brown scenario.
The coverage was all about Coakley and her gaffes, and Brown the "underdog."
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:08 PM
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38. Yes, FOX NEWS was actually actively campaigning for Brown.
It amaised me that all he had to do to get elected was wear a beat-up coat and drive a pick-up. No one challanged him on anything he said. Now I know the Coakley camgaign should have, but were was the Boston Globe at? They seems to just promote the truck and the image of an every guy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:20 PM
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33. They've been doing it since spring 2009.
THAT is Max Baucus' and the corporaDems' legacy for fucking around on healthcare. Obama should have demanded his staff be more pro-active in influencing the senate on healthcare in every way possible.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:37 PM
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34. On the upside, maybe that will motivate us to get out and vote in numbers
during this midterm election.

The right has been motivated because they are in the toilet and want back out. Maybe if we think we are starting to get flushed, we'll get off the can and get our rear ends to the voting booths to make sure it doesn't happen.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:58 PM
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36. You forgot to mention they are energized after the last three Democratic loses
and they are on the upswing.
Yeah, you are correct the media is creating a big GOP win for November and they are creating the idea in many Dem's heads that we are going to lose. And, yes we should be countering it with our own enthusiasm and talking points. People seem to get riled up enough here and on other blogs, but I see no enthusiasm elsewhere.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:04 PM
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39. What other narrative has a story?
You need conflict to have a story....
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:27 AM
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41. I agree, but it's unfortunate that the national and local media is buying in to it.
When you're on the cable network you really have to try hard to make shit up, when you're national and local, you don't have to make anything up.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:14 PM
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40. It's really sort of disconcerting, isn't it? I'm not sure what it's about...
I keep hearing that this is all due to some historically "normal", cyclical event, which may or may not be true, but what I really don't get (and never have) is how absolutely, completely unaware and tone-deaf (hope that isn't a derogatory term) they are to the influence their repetitive hypotheses and coverage has.

I understand how important it is to provide opposing viewpoints concerning political issues,
I understand their interest in exploratory, objective analysis...
BUT:
So many anchors/reporters who really seem to present a sense of "straight reporting" (as opposed to Olbermann, who I absolutely adore and appreciate *because* of his bias and opinion) headline with theories (as opposed to reports/articles/stories) that, over time and if repeated enough can become reality simply because of it's presentation.

Example: The concept that Democrats are falling like flies and Republicans are experiencing a resurgence seems to be a phenomenon that has been *purely* created by the media because of the continuous theoretical/hypothetical coverage. How can I say that with such conviction? Because what their all wondering dramatically about hasn't.... happened... yet!! . (Jon Stewart did an AMAZING segment on this: that it's not news - it's guessing - when the headlines all end in a question mark). It's called a "self-fulfilling prophecy." And the media seems to be in one of two distinct camps: 1) totally oblivious, and 2)deliberate and purposeful, as in the entire Fox News agenda/broadcast.

How could anyone argue that viewers/listeners, etc. would not be influenced, on any level, as a result of this repetitive broadcast of assumptions (questions) can certainly be mistaken for professional conclusion, statement... if not fact. How could media outlets themselves not see how powerful it is, and how much responsibility they have because of it?

The persuasiveness of the media, which I truly believe they do NOT get (in many, not all, instances) is troubling, but a solution doesn't seem forthcoming... Just getting them to take notice and look at the issue would be huge. I've heard them come close, sort of, once or twice, but it clearly never went further than an on air musing.

It's frustrating.

(dang it. I can't figure out how to post reasonably short messages so that your eyes all don't immediately glaze over. If anyone has a suggestion or advice, please pm me! ).
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:34 AM
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42. You are correct - and it's all based on the Senate --
even after the recent Repuke high tide, the MSM realizes that the chances they will retake the House are slim, to say the least. But with Scottt Brown, and Lautenberg's stomach cancer, and the Mayor of Vegas's feud against Obama (and Dorgan, and Burris, etc, etc.) there's a chance the Repukes will come close in the American House of Lords. Fundamentally, it means nothing. But they will be playing it as a Repuke victory in 2010. Not because the MSM is that "conservative" really, but if and only because they love a good horse-race, even if they have to CREATE that horse-race on their own.

:shrug:
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