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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:23 PM
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It's not surprising that the President isn't focusing his energy on the public option.
If the Senate can pass the public option, it will, and the President will sign it.

What's surprising is watching people who don't support the public option accusing the President of not fighting for it.

The public option never had the votes to overcome a filibuster, and the only route to its passage was through reconciliation.

It came back from being dead and buried by everyone, including the media.

Why is it back? Who is responsible? Did the Senate simply decide they were going to push for it regardless of the White House? Possibly.

Some believe it's a ploy to scare Republicans. The question then is: Why use a public option that was dead and buried?

Democrats either believe they can get the votes or are willing to give it a last shot.


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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:30 PM
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1. ... and one thing is for sure...
.... it will be fun watching it happen.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:33 PM
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2. Voters support the inclusion of a private option by a margin of two to one. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:37 PM
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3. What does that mean?
Seriously, everyone knows the level of support the public option enjoys. It doesn't change the fact that Rockefeller isn't on board with reconciliation or that Lieberman, Landrieu and Lincoln are part of the Democratic Caucus.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:45 PM
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4. That's 4
Nelson is 5. Sounds like you're about 6 votes short of defeat.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 09:48 PM
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5. Try
11:

Baucus
Bayh
Byrd
Carper
Landrieu
Lieberman
Lincoln
Nelson, Bill
Nelson, Ben
Webb
Rockefeller


... or more since only 23 have signed the letter.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:12 PM
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6. He's the People's President, remember? He works for us, not the House of Lords. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:13 PM
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7. The Congress passes bills, the President signs them.
Remember what happened when Clinton sent a bill to Congress? It got nowhere.


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:16 PM
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9. FDR did it all the time through Sen. Robert Wagner. Worked fine. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:21 PM
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11. It didn't work out for Clinton.
Too bad FDR didn't do universal health care.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:35 PM
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14. Clinton had a far more conservative Congress and population than now. nt
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:37 PM
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16. FDR was kind of busy
you know, getting the New Deal passed and all...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:56 PM
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26. Busy?
Too busy to add universal health care to the mix when he could pass things with ease?

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:27 PM
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41. right over your head...
zip.....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:29 PM
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42. Your response doesn't make sense. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:15 PM
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8. What is surprising is that he is not focusing his energy on universal HC
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 10:23 PM by slipslidingaway
for everyone instead of keeping the investors of the for profit companies happy.

Never once have I heard him use his position to praise other HC systems throughout the world. Did you ever hear him give a speech on the merits of the Canadian system, tell people of the US that they do not have hundreds of thousands of people going bankrupt or waiting hours/days in line for a free HC clinic.

Not once!

And that is the real shame, he had an opportunity to advance the idea of a national HC system, financed by taxes, that well over half of the citizens want.

What a lost opportunity this has been, it could have been different had he listened to what the people wanted, he had the backing and enthusiasm coming into his first term. He wasted that chance and that is the real crime.

A crime that, even if this bills is passed, millions will be left behind without any access to care and thousands will die as a result. Tens or hundreds of thousands will still be underinsured and face financial hardship and US companies will continue to struggle to compete with other nations.

Instead the insurance companies who are losing customers get bailed out by the tax payers and the medical providers who try and help him fight the for profit companies are silenced.

All he had to do was reach out a hand, even to his personal physician of 22 years who was cancelled from the WH Town Hall meeting last summer at the last minute.

That is the surprising and disappointing aspect of this past year.







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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:13 PM
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32. Health Care was what made a lot of Americans lose that "hope" they had for Obama.
It's plain as day that he sold out to insurance companies.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:09 AM
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49. Yes, becoming more evident to people :( n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:18 PM
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10. This OP is not surpising nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:21 PM
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12. Neither is this comment. n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:25 PM
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13. Better make a pot of coffee
You are going to have a long week.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:41 PM
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19. Week?
You're going to have a long seven years.

:rofl:


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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:57 PM
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27. I suggest a Breakfeat Blend
I don't think something nutty or fruity will keep you in good form.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:01 PM
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29. You're taking this hard aren't you?
Got any more doom prognostications?

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:04 PM
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30. Nope, news articles are just fine right now nt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:12 PM
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31. The news is prognosticating doom?
Really?

:rofl:

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:16 PM
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33. Why do your threads always degenerate like this?
Curious...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:18 PM
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34. Nah Pro and I've been childleshly poking each other for months
It's all in good fun.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:19 PM
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35. Seems to happen with everybody though..
...not just you, always the mindless bickering.

Curious, is all...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:20 PM
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36. She's bored I guess
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:23 PM
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38. And you're saving the world from doom? n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:25 PM
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39. Venting frustration and sharing information with like minded people
What exactly are you doing?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:26 PM
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40. In other words
you're bored.

:rofl:

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:23 PM
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37. Facts and positive opinions scare some people n/t
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:30 PM
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43. ...so mindlessly bicker with them...
Ok, I understand now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:39 PM
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45. Glad I could help. Nice image. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:37 PM
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:38 PM
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17. I hope no one is paying her for this
That would be quite depressing in this labor market.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:42 PM
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20. Last bastion of scoundrels.
I have no valid argument, therefore the poster must be paid.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:45 PM
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22. I said you weren't paid
at least I hope your not :smoke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:45 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:49 PM
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24. And you respond with lame comments "around the clock." n/t


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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:58 PM
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28. If so it's wasted money as it's having the opposite effect.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:11 PM
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52. +1
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:39 PM
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18. plan B for CYA:
it's all the Senate's fault....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:54 PM
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25. Here's why that makes no sense.
The President's critics have already claimed that the WH stated they're not interested in the public option. Which is it?

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:34 PM
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44. speaking of which - is your post supposed to make sense?
Is this entire OP meant to be anything other than an exercise in excuse making?




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:40 PM
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46. You
responded as if you understood it. See your previous response.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:20 AM
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50. are the "President's critics" some sort of monolithic bloc?
in your mind?

Or is that just a catch phrase you throw out there to muddy the waters?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 10:42 PM
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21. It doesn't surprise me either. Sadly.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:49 PM
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47. "What's surprising is watching people who don't support the public option accusing the President of
not fighting for it."

The OP still spewing bullshit masquerading as "knowledge" - same shit from the same...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:55 PM
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48. Do Not Resuscitate the ‘Public Option’
Do Not Resuscitate the ‘Public Option’

The advocates of this article most likely do not support the public option.

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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:01 AM
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51. Exactly they can't pass something that by polls isn't selling. He originally wanted it to
be Congresses effort so they can take full credit for it. This is something they can get constituents on their side for.
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