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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:18 AM
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I keep hearing the GOP *will* take back the House...
...I think "steal" is a more apt term. Whether it is outright stolen ala Diebold and/or they saddle their obstructionism on Obama and call it his "failure in leadership" (I was once told, "you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think") the GOP will steal the House back in 2010.

Now I'm hearing rumblings that the senate is in jeopardy.

It's all part of the corporatist M$M starting a whispering campaign. "Hey!" the say, "Are you going to go watch the riots tomorrow night?" knowing full well there is no riot but hundreds of hyper-agitated people will show up looking for one while the reporters stand around with cameras to suck up the ratings.

So let's suppose they do get one or both houses back...

...would they trump up charges against Obama and Biden the way they did on Clinton? After all, if they depose both of them the line of succession falls to the Speaker of the House...who naturally would be a GOPer.

Are you ready for a President Boehner to be sworn in by one of the Supreme Court justices that believes life begins at incorpoation?

After all, they'd only being doing it for our own good. Obama might have stopped the wars or something or worse, given rights to people like gays or terrorists...or do conservatives find that to be too redundant? He'll have throngs of heavily-armed tea partiers to back him up and a homophobic military that is 80% republican.

I'm not happy Obama didn't include a PO in his version of HCR. Maybe it's incrementalism. Maybe it's realpolitik. Maybe it's compromise. Maybe it's just plain stupid.

Stupid of not I think this president--OUR president--if not the entire US is in jeopardy if we have a temper tantrum this Novemeber and allow the GOP to steal back congress.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:23 AM
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1. The truth is we are losing a number of Senators who are choosing not to run
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:29 AM
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3. it's almost an even split ...
in the house and senate in terms of ds and rs not running for reelection, not sure how the districts/states look overall ...

Look, the presidents party almost always loses seats in the first primary, because it takes a max turnout to get a president elected, and people are burnt out after two years of pushing get the presidency, and the tide brings in some seats in districts that the party likely would not win to begin with, and with a decompressed turnout in the midterm, you just lose seats ...

If they get health care reform done, if the economy remains stable and upticks a bit, it won't be near as bad as the MSM whores make it out to be ...

The MSM has two memes - dems in trouble and Rs on the prowl, this election cyles fits WELL into the memes ...

Still a ways to go, but again, the party will not get ALL of it back, but it WILL recover some political capital once HCR gets done, then we have to hope that the economy upticks a bit, and PRAY there is no terrorist attack, and it will be OK ...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:36 AM
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4. that is a big "IF" /nt
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:42 AM
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5. f'real...
Obama could end the wars, recover the economy and get free healthcare for the poor and the GOP and MSM woiuld still hammer him for failing to cure male pattern baldness.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:59 AM
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7. If he got viable HCR that really helped people, ended the wars, etc., it wouldn't mater what the
repugs said

Actions always speak louder than empty words



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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:02 PM
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9. I think single payer or even PO would help...
...but the last thing that guides American politics is truth.

Please tell me I'm wrong because it would actually be nice.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:50 PM
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20. Odds are pretty signficantly in Ds favor ...
the Ds have major majorities by historical standards in both the senate and the house ...

I get caught up into it, too, the MSM "Dems in trouble, Rs on the prowl" drone by the media, but it was August/September of the presidential and it looked like doom was coming for BO, after they spent the entire spring/summer making it out like Hillary supporters were going to bring him down, when a year earlier everyone was CONVINCED that immigration was going to drive the GOP to victory ... and BO won going away with dem pickups ...

Again, I am NOT saying the Ds are going to make gains ...

The party is overextended in districts it can't reasonably hope to hold without the coattails of a winning presidential candidate. They ARE going to lose seats, but it won't be the blood bath the evil liberal media is trying to drum it up to be, unless the economy tanks or there is a terror attack ...

I get it, I feel the pressure and tension ... I just know how this has gone most times ...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:27 AM
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2. The GOPers are BULLIES WHO LOST their Power and want it back.
Their Horrific Record during the Bush Years is an example of their thinking...79.38 % delusional.

Their cheerleader wannabes continue with absurd BS Statements and talking points

Their Heros are Zeros

They are of the Negative Mode...its NOT THEIR NATURE to be POSITIVE

Thats why they be grumpy whiners 89.09% of the time...its all NEG SHIT

They ain't gonna win crap
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 11:52 AM
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6. I heard Hannity saying that yesterday...It is the rightwing meme...
They are trying to "catapult the propaganda," as the Chimpster would say.

This is their modus operandi. Constantly repeat things that they wish were true, and often the meme will be taken up by the entire MSM. They have been so wrong on so any things over the past thirty years and yet they are still taken seriously. Could that be the fault of the liberal media?
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:00 PM
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8. It's a good cover story...
...for when they steal congress back.

That and they're outright rabble rousing.

How many people would try to push through hordes of angry tea partiers to get to a polling station on election day? Would minorities?
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:03 PM
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10. It has proven effective
at keeping them in power over the last 30 years.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:08 PM
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11. Indeed.
Their real name is Grand Old Propaganda.

Look how they have whipped the public into believing that little brown people with funny names are out to kill them so if we stop bombing said people then said people would REALLY try to hurt us.

And the GOP gets to steal hundreds of billions of tax dollars that could be providing medical care for American kids.


Don't tell me "it's only propaganda."
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:00 PM
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23. I used to be fun.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:08 PM
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12. with the corporate media running corporate-person-funded ads ...
the "American populous" will be led to think they're voting for their own self-interests ...
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:24 PM
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13. It is a price we cannot afford to pay when the real answer is more progressive Dems than less...
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 12:29 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
We simply never had the full 60 filibuster proof majority when Lieberman is a proven right leaning independent. It's a matter of sink or swim this November the economy is slowly returning, it's the end game if it slips away in a potential new Republican Congress. It'd be wonderful if we had lots of great options, simply, we don't.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:36 PM
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14. If this is the way the Democrats perform, why should we fear a Republican takeover?
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:46 PM
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15. Because...
...greed, power, manipulation and dishonesty are they're lifeblood.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:34 PM
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22. Are you saying, with a straight face, that's not the case with most Democrats?
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:17 PM
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24. You mean...
...Kerry, Kennedy, Kiucinich, Sanders, etc.

Are they crooks and power grabbers?
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 07:58 PM
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25. I said "most". There are a few good Democrats. But if you're actually trying to say that
all Republicans are scum and all Democrats are virtuous heroes fighting for the Little Guy, then I really don't think there's much point in continuing this discussion. I personally would probably lump two-thirds of the Democratic Party in with the Republicans as far as being bought-and-paid-for crooks goes.
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seattle_blue Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:11 PM
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16. Everybody loves a winner
Did you ever notice how many sports jerseys come out after a team wins a championship? You may see people in L.A. wearing Boston shirts. The republicans are baiting the "I want to be on the side thats winning crowd. I want to vote for a Dem, but that would be a "losing" vote so I'll just vote for the republican. That's the crowd they're trying to lure into their web. Kind of reminds me of those grotesque creatures that live at the bottom of the sea luring in fish only to eat them alive.
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:31 PM
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17. All a GOP win PROVES is the Repub consensus that the US is a right-wing country.
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 01:32 PM by Vicar In A Tutu
Not centre-right, far-right, in fact. You don't give those goons 11 of the last 16 years as a majority after the damage they've done unless you believe in / are fooled by their agenda. No wonder Democrats are scared of their own shadow, they may have a left-leaning conscience, but the evidence suggests that you have to be a right-wing loon to attain sustained power, hence the meek middle-ground too many Democrats end up inhabiting. If the United States had a competent media the GOP would be reduced to a hilarious laughing stock. Unfortunately, more people consider Sean Hannity and his ilke more level headed, fair-minded pundits than "ranting liberals" like Rachel Maddow.

Whether it's because a large majority of people are too scared, too easily fooled or genuinely right-wing (well, it's quite clearly not the latter, not really - people tend to believe in plenty of left-wing ideals when the message isn't distorted and turned into a scare-fest), the result of the GOP claiming both houses is that the United States of America has voted to be a far-right country. Regardless of the reasons, the result is the same. People sometimes WANT to break the chain (see 2006 & 08) but a combination of scared Democrats and a GOP given a pass to say and do whatever they want ensures that the brilliantly malign Republican machine is never, ever far from steamrollering its way back to the corridors of power. The biggest political masterstroke the GOP have ever pulled is to focus on convincing the many millions of naive people that they represent their best interests when they patently do not. It's a dark kind of genius, it's praying on the intellectually vulnerable and it will take a hell of a lot of reversing.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:41 PM
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18. Sounds like...
...the end of the Weimar Republic
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:48 PM
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19. I don't.. heard some wishful thinking.. but that is about it
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 01:50 PM by Peacetrain
the republicans play to the off season voter..but I do not see those nimords taking the house in 2010.. I know we have been losing IQ points as a country for a while now.. but hand it all back to them, just as we start to get their mess cleaned up.. I hope not!
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 02:21 PM
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21. Concern, ahoy!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:05 PM
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26. The Democrat's and the administration's own behavior set this up
Not only is the administration pathologically averse to conflict- but Congress appears beholden to the very corporate interests that people blame for all the problems.

So what happens when party A screws up in such a situation- fails to actively place the onus where it belongs and holds no one accountable? They vote 'em out and put in party B.



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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:14 AM
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27. Be that as it may...
...do you think the GOP would trump up charges on Obama the way they did against Clinton or use some other dirty trick to cripple his presidency or even install one of their own?
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