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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:22 PM
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Self-execution? (Or how the HCR Bill may proceed.)
Dont worry .... not as bad as it sounds.

House leaders, Politico reports, are considering a self-executing rule – hoping to save their members from actually voting on the Senate bill. Such move means the House would pass a rule saying if the Senate passes reconciliation, then we'll consider the Senate bill passed. If B is followed by C then A will be enacted. But, there's a problem with this strategy. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, whose committee reconciliation must go through, says it's impossible to do “fixes” on a bill that hasn't already been signed into law. In other words, the House must pass the Senate bill – Louisiana Purchase, Cornhusker Deal and other warts included (you can just imagine the TV ads House Republicans are gleefully contemplating) -- and send it to Obama for his signature before the Senate can take up reconciliation. Those sweetheart deals are meant to be stripped in reconciliation. House and Senate negotiators have appealed to the parliamentarians to decide who is right and a decision is expected this week.

If you're not already totally confused, there's more. In the Senate, Dems are eyeing Tom Coburn and his promised “hundreds” of amendments warily. So warily that they're considering an obscure procedural tactic some Republicans are labeling the “nuclear option.” Under reconciliation rules, debate is limited to 20 hours and only 51 votes are needed for final passage as the budget is immune to filibusters. But there is no limit on amendments and if Republicans file hundreds of them the Senate Parliamentarian could need months to rule on all of them. Democratic leaders could, after a few days of amendments, say that Republicans are trying to filibuster by amendment and given that filibusters are not allowed in reconciliation they could rule all other amendments “dilatory” and move to final passage. Republicans, including Lindsey Graham and Jon Kyl, have plead with Democrats not to employ this highly unusual tactic saying it could have dire effects on the Senate as an institution and on other pending legislation.

“It's just one of those things that you don't do,” Kyl, the No. 2 Senate Republican, told reporters today. “You can imagine what would happen if irresponsible presiding officers exercised that power it can always come back to bite you when you're in the opposite situation so as a general rule it has not been done.”
Another problem? Neither of these hip-busting dance moves would solve the problem of abortion. Reconciliation can only be used for "germane" fixes to the budget, of which abortion is not. A third bill may have to be passed through both chambers to solve this problem, thus complicating the potential self-executing rule and negotiations with the Senate were there aren't 60 votes for the Stupak amendment.

Given all the complex and rarely used machinations, some Dems worry it'll be hard to argue that they aren't “ramming through” health care reform especially if they are forced to use both tactics. On the other hand, the longer this process takes, the less likely they'll pass a bill as elections are rapidly approaching and just about everyone is sick of dealing with health care after more than a year of negotiations. Vulnerable members are more than anxious to get health care off the table and get back to talking about job creation. So, for the sake of expediency, in this final push Dems may have to sacrifice all bipartisanship not just on health care but on other agenda items.


Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/10/bending-the-rules/#ixzz0hpoIasy3
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:30 PM
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1. "complex machinations" is right.
Government should be simple. You vote for a representative (senator), and they can win with 50.1% of the vote. then you expect that they will support the wishes of their constituency. Then they need 60% of the vote, and don't think about anything but being reelected. Then there are "complex machinations". Something needs to change on a very basic level.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:33 PM
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2. It is not impossible to do fixes on a bill once signed into law.
The Civil Rights act of 1964 was ammendmed many times after it was signed, as has Medicaid and Medicare.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:40 PM
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3. If they do not find a way to pass both at the same time or reconcile it first then.....
it will never get fixed and shame on anyone that belives it will.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:40 PM
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4. I am laughing at Graham and Kyl worrying about the institution of the Senate. They already screwed
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 10:41 PM by Jennicut
around with it by using the filibuster needlessly and holding up appointments. Seriously, f*ck them. If the Rethugs want to play dirty and throw amendment after amendment and the Parliamentarian rules that is okay, then it is time for our VP to simply overrule it. Enough is enough with their pathetic games.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:46 PM
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5. Really. It's ironic, isn't it?
Suddenly Kyl and Graham are worrying about the Senate after they've done every lowdown thing they could to obstruct.
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