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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 02:02 AM
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"The authentic base has rallied around the cause of health care"
Yes, yes and HELL YES, Al Giordano



When we last weighed in on the Congressional machinations in Washington over health care reform around the new year, there was more heat than light coming not only from the right but from some loud and shrill corners that called themselves “the left,” many even claiming to represent “the base” of President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

Two and a half months later, the situation has evolved to a very unique occurrence in progressive American politics: the authentic base rejected those grandstanders who wanted to let the perfect be the enemy of the good (the “bill killers” have pretty much wilted from their 15 minutes of overexposure), and has rallied around the cause of health care.

The US left (if such a thing has even existed in recent decades) for once in a lifetime did not fall for the orgy of petty bickering that led to so many previous epic fails, and what we see now is a convergence of forces, from the grassroots up, that can be defined as A. Pragmatic, in its multiple expressions in favor of advancing the ball down the field, and in rejecting the calls for “all or nothing” that had so defined many squandered US progressive political efforts over the past 30 or 40 years, and, B. Disciplined, including in the miraculous appearance of organizing to insist on discipline in the ranks of anyone who traffics in the term “progressive” to promote themselves.

I don’t know how it came to be, for so many years, that pragmatism and discipline were considered dirty words in many US activist circles. But the truth is, political battles have never been won without pragmatism and discipline...


...First, the evidence:

The national progressive group MoveOn (one that not too long ago would sometimes have the activist vice of allowing the perfect to be enemy of the good) recently polled its members with this question: “Should MoveOn support or oppose the final health care bill if it looks like the plan recently proposed by President Obama?” The result was that 83 percent support the bill to just 17 percent against it.

Among the authentic base, the tide has also turned against the longstanding tendency of holier-than-thou “purity troll” advocacy, as was recently evident in the cases of two Democratic US Representatives that had voted against health care on the first round because, they said, it did not go far enough. US Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) imploded and had to resign (yes, there were other more, ahem, prurient reasons for it, but he himself, at one point, claimed that the root of his meltdown was his vote against health care).

And now it is US Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) in the hot seat.

You know the earth has shifted under Kucinich – long a proponent of a single payer health care system, for which the votes simply do not exist in Congress at present to achieve – when former supporters like Lisa Baskin of Massachusetts are posting this message on their Facebook pages:

“I have voted for, sent money to and agreed with Dennis Kucinich in the past. Now I want him to vote YES for the healthcare bill, imperfect as it is. Join me, Call Congressman Kucinich. Ask him to vote Yes.
Phone (202) 225-5871”.
...


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....It used to be that any attempt to invoke discipline on behalf of progressive political ventures in the United States would be met by screeching condemnations and accusations of heavy handedness and crushing of dissent. Gawd, that was a boring (and ineffective) era! The truth is that in the big leagues of any contest, no victory is ever achieved without pragmatic discipline.

The base – and by that I mean the authentic base (those that do the leg work and heavy lifting of political organizing, not just mere activism) – has lost its patience with the kooks and the constant complainers.

How and when did that happen? I would posit that it began to happen around last Christmas, when the self-proclaimed “progressive” bill killers overplayed their poutrage hand by calling for health care reform to be defeated. Folks at the grassroots level needed only to compare and contrast the behaviors of the different players on the left side of the dial in the US. Those that kept their eyes and hands on the ball and worked to get the best possible bill (which as with any legislation on any subject involves compromise) to move that ball down the field (especially including the White House) simply earned more respect than those who whined and pouted and offered increasingly shrill demands.

For now, I’ll just say how encouraged I am to see the authentic base asserting itself and adopting the necessary pragmatism and discipline to go out there and win this long political war over health care.

It has been 62 years since President Harry Truman first proposed national health care reform. And if, as momentum seems to be turning, perhaps as soon as this coming weekend the health care bill pushes through to historic triumph, it will be because pragmatism and discipline are no longer considered dirty words on the US left. That would be a miracle, and also harbinger of better days, and more victories, yet to come.


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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 02:08 AM
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1. it took 62 years go come up with this piece of shit bill?
pretty fucking sad
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 02:37 AM
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2. Yep. Things move slow.
Social security took lots, and lots, of amendments.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 02:50 AM
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3. did it start off as a complete pile of corporate shit?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:49 AM
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7. Yes, it did.
It was a "giveaway" to corporations.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:51 AM
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8. BULLSHIT
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 04:53 AM by Skittles
and the author in this article loses credibility with the word "poutrage". SOME OF US FUCKING CARE ABOUT BEING FUCKED OVER.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:53 AM
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9. Check out who didn't get coverage.
SS was a huge, uphill, battle.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:55 AM
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11. THAT IS NOT THE POINT
Social Security addressed a REAL PROBLEM with REAL SOLTIONS. It did NOT pander the the very people who CAUSED the problem.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:57 AM
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12. So, Obama should wave a wand?
Change doesn't happen that way.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:00 AM
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13. FYI - you idiotic talking points are REALLY.FUCKING.STALE
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:02 AM
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14. Hey, democracy is messy.
Maybe you should read up on it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:04 AM
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15. perhaps you should read up on what he CAMPAIGNED on
and I am DONE with you - arguing with bots is tiresome and a waste of fucking time
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:10 AM
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16. you need to wright motr bot recofgnition code.
Humans are more diverse.

And troublesome.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:06 AM
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4. It wasn't OK when Sarah Palin did it, it isn't OK when Al Giordano does it either.
Sarah Palin appealed to "real Americans" and dissed all other voters as we all recall (well all except Al here since he's pulling the same shitty, disrespectful and dishonest tactic). How nice to know that a significant portion of the base, the "fake base" natch, without whom Obama would never have been catapulted into the presidency or even past the Democratic primaries is to be openly slighted, derided and dismissed yet again. Oh, and that horseshit about single-payer? Advocates were prohibited from even presenting their case at the table when this all started last year BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, not the Republicans. How could they begin to garner votes if they weren't allowed to even participate in the talks?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:53 AM
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10. CORRECT
I cannot BELIEVE how low some DUers will go
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:17 AM
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17. Tell u what, if I'm part of the fake base then the DP will get no more of my fake $ or my fake vote.
Between 2003 and 2008 (lost one of the two part-time jobs I was working at the end of '08) I donated hundreds of dollars to the DNC, DCCC and DSCC from my barely-disposable income only to be disappointed again and again, year after year by the cowardice of the Democratic Party particularly since 2006 when we won majorities in both chambers. So many people worked so very hard and many others, like myself, spent a lot of money that might have been better spent only to be thrown under the bus at every turn. People were tut-tutting the Republicans like a week ago for that powerpoint presentation mocking their own base, and yet pretend like the Democrats don't do it too. It's all so galling.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:15 AM
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19. Really?
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 07:16 AM by Bobbie Jo
Well hop on over to GD where another poster is doing exactly the same thing. But somehow, I'm sure this case is "different."
Where's the outrage?

The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:26 AM
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5. Rec'd. Nice find
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:36 AM
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6. This guy is good at analyzing exactly what's been going on.
Good!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:46 PM
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23. Yes, Al Giordano is excellent at focusing on what's real.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:26 AM
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18. Look, its one thing to think this is the lesser of two evils. But no need to hype it up as some...
ground breaking historical achievement in the same vein as what Truman proposed. This isn't even the party of FDR/Truman anymore, so lets get back to reality a tad
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:23 PM
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21. The article is just meant to spread more seeds of division
Pitting the "real" base against the "fake" base. It splits us in two and has us fighting each other instead of discussing issues and ideas.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:22 PM
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20. Then they don't need any more of my fake money, fake time, fake energy.....
... or my kooky complaining vote, Right? The author of the article is welcome to go fuck themselves.

The entire thing is divisive BS attacking liberals instead of discussing issues. ALL communication shuts off when the insults start flying.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:45 PM
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22. Love Al Giordano..
for pointing out that this will be a victory for a good start and a foundation for more victories to come.

Grayson, Sanders, Franken, etc, etc, can see the possibilities here, thankfully.
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