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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:28 PM
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All Part Of The Plan
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 02:32 PM by babylonsister
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_03/023133.php

ALL PART OF THE PLAN.... We talked earlier about the Obama administration's apparent intention to allow new oil and natural gas drilling along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico, and the north coast of Alaska. Given that this move could be used as a bargaining chip with Republicans during negotiations on energy policy, I questioned what the White House would get in exchange for the president's concession. If the president has already effectively given Republicans what they wanted on energy, what will he get in return?

A Hill staffer I know emails with an alternative look at the same dynamic, suggesting President Obama is playing a game we've seen before. I'm republishing the staffer's email with permission.

Obama preempts the other side's most resonant arguments, which forces them to come up with more and more extreme claims in order to differentiate themselves. In the end, he occupies the reasonable middle ground and his opponents are Palinized. It doesn't always work -- on the national security/gitmo/Miranda stuff, for example, it turns out the utter extreme positions the right is left with given the centrist ground Obama has staked out turns out to be fairly popular. But even there, the Administration has had reasonable success pushing back on the Miranda nonsense and, because they effectively occupy the tough, pragmatic middle ground, they routinely get cover from non-crazy Republican national security voices, which has helped blunt the force of these issues. (I understand that the term "middle ground" is very slippery and dangerous here, but I basically use it to mean policies that, before the great crazy of 2009 had broad consensus support from large portions of both parties and the Broder/Friedman/Brooks axis.)

At the same time, the policy is a tailored, measured version of what the Republicans have urged -- so, yes, the headline is, 'Obama Allows New Offshore Drilling/Presses For Energy Independence,' but at the same time, California/Oregon/Washington where opposition is strongest isn't included, and there are environmentally-friendly changes to Alaska leasing policy announced at the same time. And again, as we've seen before, Republicans are sort of forced to twist and parse, and even to oppose things they have long supported, just because the Administration hasn't gone far enough.

Finally, by announcing the drilling policy without seeking to extract concessions, the Administration makes clear that it is their policy and they are the centrist/flexible/pragmatic ones -- making it harder for Republicans to argue that they accomplished this or that they forced Obama to do it. <...>

{O}f course, if there was any reason to believe that Republicans would engage in normal negotiation/compromise, then I see why holding this back and trading it for support of a broader package would make sense. But does anyone really think there are Republicans to negotiate with on this stuff? And if Republicans do come to the table, Obama still has plenty of room to give, including by simply agreeing to sign a law that makes proposals like this a matter of statute, not executive discretion.


That's an interesting take. Something to keep in mind.

And by the way, right on cue, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) denounced the administration's drilling plan, despite its similarity to GOP demands, with Boehner expressing his outrage that the president didn't go further. What a shock.

—Steve Benen
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:32 PM
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1. We'll see how this goes
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 02:32 PM by mvd
It certainly makes the Repukes look like hypocrites, but they better be careful not to harm the environment. Also, I think the President may be doing this for the voters, and not the Repukes - but this should only go on for so much longer. At some point, you have to say - we tried, but the Repukes won't cooperate. So I'm going left.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:46 PM
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2. For Democrats who prefer Republican policy, it's a GREAT plan. For ACTUAL Democrats, not so much.
:puke:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:48 PM
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3. +1
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The Old Creak Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:23 PM
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4. RIGHT ON!
Corporations rule. Period. End of story.:evilfrown:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:26 PM
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5. So explain why Boehner is complaining. Kind of blows your theory
all to shreds, but don't let those silly facts get in the way!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:56 PM
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7. Boner would complain if they hung him with a brand new rope.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:50 PM
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13. Because I know oil companies
Raised in the oilfield and rode with my dad to take the drillers fracing materials to blow out the underground structure of the Earth to squeeze out a little more oil. Listened to the drone of pumpjacks all my young life. Still have relatives at the apex of the executive boards who transported illegal animal parts on corporate jets from overseas without the scrutiny of any governmental agency. Worked on their cases and on their lobbying efforts.

And had my parents' sweet water table ruined by the son of a bitches, all the while being assured they had nothing to do with it. They are takers with no remorse.

I hope you are right defending Obama, but I doubt it.


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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:09 PM
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18. It does no such thing.
When Republicans complain, they're lying. They're frustrated because Obama stole their issues, their legislation, and their ideology, leaving them with no recourse but spittle, epithets, and guns.

Yes, it's a brilliant move, executed against two opponents at once - the Republican apparatus and the Democratic base.

Next up - smashing Social Security. Won't that be kewl!!!!!!!!
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:41 PM
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10. +1 n/t
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:38 PM
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28. Yeah the game where he turns dem plans into repub ones
that's what I have been seeing lately.

Let's just be real and honest and admit about 15-20 of our senators that have a (D) after their name should have a (R) and that is why we couldn't do anything even when we had 60 of them.

So rather than be honest about it he waters down everything for the 60 (R) we have...yes really about 60 including the dems who squeal if you try to do anything to the left....

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:29 PM
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6. There's a lot in this plan that is actually very good since
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:36 PM
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27. Thanks Cha
It helps to read up on what the WH says.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:48 PM
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8. the plan to co-opt the Republican agenda?
but hey it's OUR side right?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:50 PM
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12. And he's super intelligent and likable. President Obama must be serving the working American first?
We MUST trust our President because he's a fellow democrat. We "little people" just don't understand all the intricateness of giving our hard earned tax dollars to the Corporate Predators. Selling such policies is very complex work and often takes someone who's super intelligent. Did I mention President Obama is super-intelligent ... and likable too! :sarcasm:

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:04 PM
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17. Looks like Baghdad Bob is working for the White House now
Remember him saying that the Marines were committing suicide by the airport?

"Drill, baby, drill" is now a virtue, to be proclaimed from every rooftop across the nation.

We are so blessed!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:50 PM
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21. Yes, at least he was an enchanting fellow. As comedy gold as Michael Steele.
The gifts that keep on giving for what's left of our progressive side. :P

FWIW, The next round of freedom gin is on me! :toast:
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:47 PM
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20. "Handsome" too - "as for that "I've got ya" smile that lights up the room"...
:loveya:

Swoon

Besotted

:hi:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:52 PM
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22. Yes, I can't deny that. President Obama is a very handsome and intelligent man.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 06:53 PM by ShortnFiery
Time for me to face the Brave New FREE World and take a couple SOMA before I pop an artery in my brain. :silly:
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:55 PM
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25. Aw, don't do that! "God Hates a Quitter"!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:39 PM
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9. It's a bit like selling a house. If you price it too high, no one walks in the door.
If you price it too low, some people will wonder what's wrong with it, and when it sells, you lose money that could have been yours. If you price for what the comps are going for and spiffy it up a bit, you attract people who would never have walked in your door.

And the goppers established a "just say no" plan and stick to it to the point they decry and condemn the very things they, themselves, have proposed. They can't help themselves, they just keep falling for that bait. It's so creepily Pavlovian. I wonder how long this will last.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:43 PM
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11. " "Obama Closes Loophole That Allowed Drilling In Rockies Without Environmental Review ""
Cross Post..LBN..

<snip>

"SALT LAKE CITY � The Obama administration will limit the use of an administrative shortcut that hhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/rocky-mountain-drilling-l_n_520579.htmlas been used to approve thousands of drilling permits across the Rocky Mountains without full environmental reviews.

The policy change was reflected in the settlement late Tuesday of a lawsuit filed in Utah by environmental groups that challenged the Bush administration's interpretation of the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

The act allows federal land managers to fast-track drilling permits without ordering an environmental assessment of the consequences.

The U.S. attorney's office in Salt Lake City confirmed Wednesday that the settlement will all but close the loophole used to approve thousands of oil and gas wells from 2006 to 2008."


<MORE>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/rocky-mountain-drilling-l_n_520579.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4327950

Great News!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:53 PM
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14. Oh yes, our glorious new Five Year Plan
We are not worthy!

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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:59 PM
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15. Of Course It Is.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:01 PM
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16. I think the article's analysis is wrong, but not because of Obama...
but because the article assumes that Obama's strategy is cynically political. I think the issue is that we've witnessed a war raging between two totalistic approaches to energy policy for 30 years. The answer - the WORKABLE answer - is, of course, somewhere in between. Obama's objective is not to triangulate but to locate a winning and workable strategy and run with it.

Obama is in no way upholding the status quo here, just as he wasn't with health insurance reform. This is not "third-way" politics, but an approach less focused on compromising competing ideologies and more on getting results.

I don't feel comfortable with off-shore drilling, but his reasons are sound to me. How else are we to become energy-independent? Since WW2, and the rapid growth of neo-capitalism, we've become energy hogs. We need to start changing the structure of our energy policy in order to handle our greed.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:55 PM
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24. I don't believe more drilling is the answer
pour money into alternative energy.

Create those "green" jobs that so far are few and far between.

Get us OFF oil, rather than continuing to feed our thirst for it.

I'm becoming more cynical about this administration all the time.

If he manages to actually stimulate jobs growth in the next 6 months or so, I might change my mind, but right now, I'm seeing little to celebrate.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:37 PM
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19. Obama is a smart guy playing cat and mouse. If this gets him a 2d
term that is well and good. But in the 2d term he better well shift to the left and remember his base because so far he has thrown us under the bus.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:54 PM
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23. You're willing to allow massive environmental degradation all for political gain?
Sad, just sad.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:28 PM
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26. sickening
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