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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:39 AM
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Dear Rudy: Why Obama Won't Bring European Social Democracy to America
(Rudy Giuliani was on Morning Joe hammering the latest Republican criticism--Obama is turning American into a 'European social democracy.')
It Can't Happen Here
Why Obama won't bring European social democracy to America.

By Jacob Weisberg
Updated Saturday, March 7, 2009

Conservatives have finally figured out their critique of President Obama's agenda, and it's a familiar one: He wants to make us French. The columnist Charles Krauthammer recently called the president's address to a joint session of Congress last month "the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president." Newt Gingrich claims that Obama wants to bring us "European socialism."

Socialism is a scare word in our political culture and a poor description both of Sweden these days and of whatever it is that Obama has in mind. But the case that the United States is moving away from market capitalism and toward a European-style social compact in which the state has a much broader role in the economy and the lives of its citizens is not absurd. The Obama administration is responding to the financial crisis by nationalizing financial institutions, subsidizing failing sectors of the economy, and, while it's at it, regulating industry to fight climate change. It views greater social equality as an explicit goal. If Obama succeeds in turning health insurance and funding for college into universal entitlements, he will have expanded Washington's obligations on the scale of an LBJ or an FDR. This year, government spending at all levels will jump to 40 percent of GDP. Obama's proposals could bring that figure even closer to the EU average of 47 percent.


Even in areas where Obama seems to be moving in a more statist direction, there are crucial distinctions. Like most Americans, he believes government should guarantee health insurance. And like most Americans, he believes the system should be privately run. He, and we, may be kidding ourselves in thinking that it's possible to have universal access and cost control without stifling innovation or limiting individual choice. But Obama is going to try to thread the needle. His college plan is for universal access to loans, not the essentially free ride that most students get in the European Union. And he looks poised to pare back Social Security benefits and Medicare spending, in addition to raising taxes, to constrain the overall cost of government. One way to describe Obama's program is a move toward cradle-to-grave opportunity, as opposed to the European model of cradle-to-grave security.

The indictment that Obama wants to foist foreign ways upon us echoes the claim by Roosevelt's critics that he wanted to usher in socialism under cover of the New Deal. It similarly misreads an ideologically moderate president's substantive views, his political sophistication, and what's within the realm of the possible in our country. Obama gets that Americans want government to fix the free market, not take its place.

A version of this article appears in this week's issue of Newsweek.

http://www.slate.com/id/2213040/
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:42 AM
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1. Where is the massive European migration to North America? Oh, right, there isn't one. nt
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:22 AM
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4. All those Swedish boat people..."yearning to breathe free..."
The French and Italians have also HAD it! They know they are slothful, sitting in their cafes day and night...no wonder they have such a bad standard of living over there...it's awful, I tell ya...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:34 AM
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5. My vision of Hell!!!
Oh the humanity! Why don't they come here to work longer hours and risk bankruptcy if they get ill?

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:51 AM
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7. Is that pic of a cafe on Piazza San Marco in Venice?
It looks familiar...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:53 AM
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8. I assumed it was It'lee, but it's actually Paris. nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:53 AM
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2. "Obama gets that Americans want government to fix the free market, not take its place."
Because there is no free-market in Europe? Really?

Because one continent believes in solidarity at the state level, and the other one in solidarity at the private level, does not make it two totally different systems, and repeating the same right-wing lies just to defend Obama is wrong. The cradle-to-grave security, if such a model really exists, helps people to cushion the fall, if they become unemployed or sick. It does not stifle innovation. If anything, look at the transportation systems in this country and Europe, or in consumption average for cars.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:35 AM
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6. They also support solidarity with their neighbors and we US/Can/Mex do not. We argue instead. nt
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 08:35 AM by Captain Hilts
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:22 AM
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3. "Dragging them into the next century"
That is a quote from Bill Maher's "New Rules" segment a few weeks back, describing the main responsibility that Democrats have in relation to Republicans. Mr. Maher tagged on "which in the Republicans case, is the 19th."
I don't how Guiliani spends his vacations, if not off on his seemingly endless "Mr.911 Tour", but perhaps he has skipped Europe recently.
Certainly every country has it's drawbacks, but in terms of general quality of life issues, Europe does quite well.
The European worker enjoys much more leisure time than their American counterparts while also enjoying a fairly good blanket health care plan (far better than the average American serf). The Europeans travel on well-maintained highways, walk or cycle over futuristic-looking pedestrian bridges, and ride on high-speed inter-city railways.
Many of their cities celebrate their past side-by-side with 21st Century architecture.
Virtually all of the national, or UN rankings continually rank European countries ahead of the US in health care, life expectancy, and education.
So, as leftists, we do have not only a responsibility, but a millstone of sorts around our necks with our Republican cave-dwellers.
While people like Gingrich and Guiliani continue to carve crude drawings of impending doom on the cave walls (not ot mention Boehner, Cantor, et. al.) in exchange for insane prices paid by corporations that view this stuff as priceless art, the average American loses ground, income, and hope.
As for the Republicans joining the rest of the planet in the 21st Century: Hell no, they won't go.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:46 AM
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9. "may be kidding ourselves in thinking that it's possible to have universal access and cost control"
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 09:47 AM by Oregone
"may be kidding ourselves in thinking that it's possible to have universal access and cost control without stifling innovation or limiting individual choice."

Stupidest quote ever.

Seriously.

What value does "choice" bring to insurance? What insurance innovation has improved the quality of insurance service in America?

Yeah, yeah, I realize they are probably confusing insurance with care and doing some drunk mental gymnastics to find words to fill their screen with.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:01 PM
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11. The idea that you can have "choice" in an industry with an antitrust exemption is ludicrous. eom
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:59 PM
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12. There is value in choice if you're stuck in a market based system
it beats just taking whatever you boss says you should have at whatever cost he deems suitable.

Now, I strongly agree there is no value to a market based system in the first place because you don't get to pick what kind of sick you're going to be. There is no need or desirability for a variety of products or packages because when you become ill you only want to get better.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 11:18 AM
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10. The HORROR of European social democracy captured HERE:



Don't let this happen here!
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LetsgoWings13 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 02:27 PM
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13. looks like they have too much time on their hands ;)
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Rage Inc. Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:59 AM
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14. Why even dignify with a Response?
Rudy Regurgitating Republican Rhetoric. That's one more fucking "R" than he gave the NYC schools while he was Mayor!
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