About Those Hateful things posted in every Crook & Cranny of the Internet about our President....

Are we gonna post it all here at DU?
Cause I question why that should be.
So if someone wants to let me know why this is important and worthwhile,
I'm listening.

As I see it, a whole lot of stuff is said about this President daily, evidently.
Folks are threatening his life and all kinds of terrible fucked up things.
The question is do we have to know about all of the fucked up bullshit posted
anywhere on the Internet about him?

Same goes for Sarah Palin. Are we really to care about every fucked up thing
she utters?

You see, I wished every fucking fucked up thing I ever said about Bush showed up on FR....
but of course, it didn't.

I'm just wondering cause this shit is starting to become quite tiresome and depressing,
and I'm not sure what true purpose it serves, cause it is and will be neverending.
So maybe folks can help me out on this, and let me know the real true value to Democrats
in an election year on this, even when they are in "quotation marks".

Thanks.

the good , bad and the ugly, we need to hear or read it all. We need to know the enemy and existing in an echo chamber doesn't arm us against them.

produced attack ads and epiphenomena is politically stupid. It's not censorship to reprint Free Republic, Fox News and Huffington Post on DU. I would love a DU where I could hit a filter button every once in a while, and not read reprints...

If you copy and paste something, there should be a process (probably resource intensive) that automatically checks to see if someone posted something similar.

I think the broader point, that people shouldnt drown themselves in the trashiest and most worthless crap out there still remains. That's a broader political literacy point that the country needs to promote, and one that . I feel as though conservatism wins when political news is more tabloid and gossip, than data and fact (see NY Post vs NY Times.)

Walter Benjamin said that the aestheticization of politics is facism, and Ive slowly come to believe that aesthetic politics is actually the type of political communication driven by novelty, marketing, and 'messaging'. tabloid news drives that.

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The whole thing is, is that they are giving this noise a platform. One of the people here accused this of censorship. Well DU wouldn't be around with out it. In a sense, we come here to be around other Dems and discuss the issues. If we wanted to be around the other types of things we would be at freeperville as so many here haunt.

The point being, I also don't see why we post everything coming from Sarah Palin. It was like when Orly Taitz information dominated the Presidency threads. You couldn't take a break from it. And it's the same thing that could be found anywhere else. This is not beneficial towards our cause, it gave nothing to the discussion except an outlet for some to whinge a few to agree and on and on it goes.

This is not to say that some negative articles aren't allowed. Many of them are on point and should be recognized. But I don't see the noise that spews from Palin or the garbage from Limbaugh and the rest are seriously that important to post on here.

I'd like to see more people talking about candidate in certain districts and how we can help the Dem there, getting DU more organized; instead of wasting braincells any more than we have from looking a these people.

I spent the evening at a congressional campaign HQ making calls and brainstorming.It would be great if more folks were productive but trying to be an echo chamber doesn't work for us either. I usually just glance at the posts that have no value or are dupes. I think we need to know the enemy but I agree we only need to know it once as far as some stories go. I notice dupes everywhere but i guess nothing is perfect.

That's why I like ccharles' posts. Keeps me in the know on who's running against who and who I should send some 5 bucks to when I can. I'm rather worried about November and I don't see much noise on this board or in the Dem party for Nov. However I do see a lot of it for the Repubs. Especially when you have clowns like Palin on the circuit and reminding her base. When it's not the time of the general election a lot of our people forget. I know in Harlem it's one of the bigger problems. Unimaginable numbers during the general election other times not.

I got an email.....
or I saw this posted...
or this is what I saw on Facebook...
or this is what they said at the store....

at some point, the focus on the negative
can wear anyone out.....even me...
which is why I spend less and less time here.

I'm not trying to censor anyone,
just want remind folks to think about
the overall effect of all of these negative posts layered one on top of the other,
so many about negativity as it pertains to the Democratic party...
who we are supposed to be supporting and should be trying to get
fired up for as the election nears.

Well you know there are problems on this board for various reasons. Like I've said before in the past, when people don't have drama they make drama. And DU is no different. The " I got an email" are the ones that tend to annoy me the most I think, only because we should have known ever since the primaries that we have a mess on our hands and people want to make this President look bad and email bombs are normal.

In any event, we do reach a pathetic state when our conversation revolves around this. I was just listening to 3 hours of the Goodwin Liu debate and I think even our Senators are in the same boat. The man barely said anything because the Dems and Republicans were at each other throats with this was done or that was done and I understand why the Dems did it. But spent more time showing the Republican stupidity and hypocrisy that I actually felt we as viewers learned nothing about this great lawyer and I wondered what they learned from it.

This board at times, is unfortunately no different.

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lease keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values.

This one is particular is of no use right now. I come here, and have to check to see where I've landed...which is quite unfortunate for me anyways.

The call has gone out to alert. If they shut down accounts without alert logs, the mods might be accused of vendettas.

So, alert on the attack threads, and move on.... and spread the word.

That's just fuckin wrong.

:P

I just picture them in war saying.." Time out I have to fix my beret. Okay we can start again."

and pissed off.

That's ok too!

Dumb beret.

bookmarking this with a reply so i remember to come back to it.

anyone remember the hysteria during the election year? a part of me knew the election was over after seeing mccain in front of that green screen, but the hysterics/nervousness/wasted energy that followed until november was very real. felt the same way during the HRC debate.

there is something about The Internet and how day-to-day/minute-by-minute politics is getting overblown and taking its toll on how politics gets processed...

too early to think clearly though =)

and I don't think that this should be the tone that we should want,
not at this time, anyways. Too much at stake. Too much to do.
Too much we should be fired up to get done, one of the biggest being
keeping that asshole Jeff Sessions as far away from having any say so
on the Judicial Committee as possible. I don't know if I could deal with that shit,
and I don't feel like thinking about what could have been done after the fact.
That's just not a nightmare I even want to think about. The damage that that prick
and his toolish friends could enact. Shuddering just thinking about it! :scared:

Cheer up...its a plot to discourage us, to tire us, with moot minutae shit..

never let them get you down

stand firm

Opi

:thumbsup:

Hekate

While you've made it clear on multiple occasions that nothing is more sacred to you than direct loyalty to a specific man, regardless of any policy or action of that man, that is not the position of the Democratic Underground.

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It comes down to this: agreement with the President, even a Democratic one, on policy and practice is actually not a requirement for membership of Democratic Underground, no matter how much you wish it were the case.

When I voted for Obama it was never with the expectation or the agreement to then sit quietly on the sidelines while policy that I deplore was carried out. I deplore the Obama administrations trickle-down economic policy. I deplore current education policy. I'm going to say so, whether you like it or not.

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Otherwise, most of the criticism of the President's policies I see here (including those criticisms I have) is from the left making us far from Freepers or tea-baggers. I support some of what I see the President doing and working on and I am not in favor of it when I see him move to the right on policies. The fact that criticism from the left has been silenced at the national level means only the RW talking points are being heard and there is no chance of pushing policies to the left.

Asking for unquestioning support of any policy of the President makes us the Democratic party's answer to Free Republic and I don't think that's who we want to be.

When one criticizes any individual, on politics or on television or whatever, one should always back it up. Defend the criticism with a fact or two, or make an argument. It isn't fair to anyone, whether Barack Obama or Sarah Palin, to slap a label or a series of labels on someone and smugly demand other people have to prove otherwise. The burden of proof always lies with the accuser, so whenever slamming someone, back it up.

If people can back it up, I'd like to see them bring their criticism. Let's have a discussion. If, however, it's just going to be the latest version of "Obama's a socialist" or "Obama's a corporatist" with the assumption that "everyone KNOWS this so it doesn't need to be defended," thay can keep that.

People have posted proof of grounds for criticism in the past; from the administration's own website no less, only to see it ignored.

The repugs found out that we were networking the internet to get the truth about all the things that were being done in Government.And that we networked a candidate that they cannot figure on how he won. It doesn't matter that he has degrees,work experience,a constitutional professor,community organizational skills,and has a south paw that can take it to the hole,they swear he manipulated the internet and indoctrinated the young. So their pattern of attack is to fill all the nooks and crannies with lies,talking points,and whatever rhetoric they can drum up to keep the disillusioned that way.And remember who holds the cards when it comes to media moguls.Something I don't have to really say. You are just getting a little discouraged because every good soldier gets weary in battle. That is when other good soldiers in your company step up to the plate.Its okay to get tired of the bullshit,I get tired too. We need to start tooting the horn of the President instead of focusing on the negative.I don't mind having an actual discussion on policy and legislative issues but anything that undermines our President and his Administration should always be null and void.And people can quit talking about Sarah we all know why she says the things she does. For the money!!!!!She knows exactly what she is doing and saying.She is cold, calculating (can see the numbers),and really a bitch.She knows exactly what the truth is. She is not a bumbling idiot,that is what she wants us to believe. And its time for Financial Reform and Immigration. If we stick together and do this thing right it will be the end of the repugs for about twenty years.:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

well I think the point of that other thread wasn't really to regurgitate another of the "hateful things" but the OP asked about "how do we counter this?"

which is the question I've been asking for most of the last decade and the question I think is the most important of all.

and the answer we come up with, the consensus we form and then enact on how to effectively do so, is the most important goal of all.

trifling bullshit about Obama being a terrorist, that's sad.

but on the other hand the fact that such "trifling bullshit" is so wide spread and continues to be echoed endlessly shows that Yes, we do need to do a better job of answering and countering it.

I completely agree with the other poster's frustration re. how to deal with what is an ongoing problem: the pervasive and subversive RW lie machine and those who swallow this crap wholesale, and who then may act on it, perhaps violently.

I'm with you on the rest. all I'm saying frenchie is the post wasn't simply yet another "oh look another horrible thing being said about Obama." yes that is tiresome and old.

the post was really about How do we STOP THIS???

something we obviously haven't reached a consensus or found any good effective answers to yet.

"To me, Obama is nothing but a terrorist...period."
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I'm not sure why anyone would find this trifling gossip post-worthy...

See, THIS is why I won't bother to go to the "95%" website. I know it's meant to educate freepers and anybody else, with the facts but my tolerance for stupidity is rather low. If I want to see people berate the President, I can see that right here on DU.

They (Hardball, Countdown, Ed, and sometimes even Rachel)give Palin, teabaggers, and others who do nothing more than spew hate and viciousness towards this president a huge platform on their shows. These people don't amuse me, and quite frankly they are a sad, pathetic and dangerous bunch.

like. I'll say it until he changes his hard neurotic heart.

What are you doing, actually doing, to help Democrats win in CA? Anything? Because you know, being a 'fan' of one politician does not a Democrat make. Will you even vote in Nov? I sure hope you will bother, and also that you will organize the many 'fans' you must know. They need to vote. Even if they think Jerry is too nice to gay people, they need to vote for him. You need to organize your crowd, as I do mine. Here, we elect Democrats.
You know, for all your bluster, I helped deliver a Primary state to Obama. You and yours failed to do so. I wonder, when it gets down to it, if a politician would rather have victory, or lavish praise? So what I have actually done, in the world, for Obama, compared to what you have actually done, in the world, for Obama...I knocked myself out to send Merkely to the Senate, another Democratic vote. I sent him to DC, and a Senator along with him. You guys voted for Clinton. And you are on the verge of replacing Boxer with a Republican. So I say, rhetoric is rhetoric, and votes are votes, between the two, I'll go with votes.
So at least make sure you vote, and vote Democratic. It is important.

elected in 2008. I'll do the same in 2012! After THAT! I'm done. You can have this two party bullshit.

cause I do plenty year round. I canvas, donate, call, protest, write every goddamn body and even try to activate those here.

As for my bluster, I don't even know what that even refers to.

because you didn't get exactly what you wanted.

ok.........

President Obama is the news that YOU want us to hear, are you? Seriously, that sounds like the political equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears, shutting your eyes tight, and screaming "Nah nah nah nah nah" over and over again. Which is exactly what the BushCo group was saying Americans should do when anyone criticized the Deserter-In-Chief when he was Preznit. That doesn't sound like a very good way to run a democracy that is supposed to be dedicated to free speech.

I'm sorry that you are having such a bad day. Here's a little something to lighten things up for you. (Just ignore the short commercial).

http://rackjite.com/archives/4879-Video-SNL-Crazy-Cajun-James-Carville-Less-Crazy-than-the-Tea-Party-April-17,-2010.html

:hi:

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The OP is not talking about criticism of the President, especially from the left but every obscure rumor and charge that is on every possible discussion board.

The OP is also talking about the constant posting of every tweeter of Sarah Palin who is not an elected official and doesn't hold any office in the Republican Party.

The OP is talking about using some disgression so that the material that is posted is germaine and substantive but these are qualities that you apparently do not hold in esteem as your reply is neither germain nor substantive.

...and I think some of those sorts of threads provide others with counter talking points.

But some of the "My best friend thinks..." threads, make you wonder about how discriminating some folks are about their friends.

and worked hard to doing it.

If I were Barack Obama, I'd serve one term...and then say, FUCK YOU to the
American people who peed on his leg for 4 years!

The teabaggers want just that....which is why they are making things unbearable,
hoping that many won't want 4 more years of they crazy asses.

Like I said, folks in the end, especially those who worked hard for it, will deserve
whatever judges, laws, appointees, and executive orders they get.

I worked hard to get Obama elected, and I have worked hard to allow him to govern.....
Now as hard as you have worked to denigrate him, I pray that you will reap what you sowed,
because at some point, there's a whole lot of us who are going to simply say....Fuck it,
give them what they so badly want. Those of us who have before, will simply weather the storm
once more. It won't be the end of our world. Considering that he has been an outstanding
President, history will judge that...so his place in history as a great President is already secured,
while the extremists and their co-horts will look worse for the wear; just like Jackie Robinson
is remembered well, while those who were booing from the stand have been dismissed as narrow minded
bigots.

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