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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:23 PM
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Dylan Ratigan is a guaranteed piece of Shit.
He is pushing the Obama's Katrina meme like a fecalphiliac monkey

then he has a huge graphic on the screen for half a minute that says 4.6 trillion spent in bailout.
a completely false figure. that's almost half of the National Debt.

then he calls a Social Security card with "biometrics" a "National ID Card"
Biometrix is the new Frank Luntz word which really just means birthdate, height, eye color, etc., all things we have on our Driver's Licenses.
But it's being spun as the Mark of the Beast.


This guy is a total propagandist stooge!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:24 PM
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1. That He Is, Sir: Definitely Not One Of Us....
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:25 PM
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2. welcome to my ignore list
no text
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:28 PM
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3. I have had it with these total a%%hats like Ratigan
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:30 PM
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4. the comparisons to Katrina are odd... Has anyone died due to the oil spill?
? Thousands died in Katrina and were without food and water for days. I can't help but think that the people making that comparison don't value the lives that were lost in Katrina.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:36 PM
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6. Eleven oil rig workers are still missing and presumed dead from the initial explosion.
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 03:40 PM by flpoljunkie
At a press conference, the officials also said hope was running out for 11 workers still missing after the blast Tuesday night off the coast of Louisiana. The Coast Guard said its search would probably continue into early Friday.

Seventeen workers brought to shore Wednesday suffered burns, broken legs and smoke inhalation. Four were critically injured.

About 100 others who were not hurt had made it to a supply boat after Tuesday night's explosion, then were plucked from the Gulf of Mexico by Coast Guard rescuers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36683314/ns/us_news-life/
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:44 PM
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7. I forgot about that, but for a reason
It still is like comparing apples to oranges. The workers (RIP) died on their job and not due to the government failing to act.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:48 PM
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8. Obama administration, I expect, will now make sure that oil rigs have backup safety cutoff valves--
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 03:48 PM by flpoljunkie
required in other countries, of course-- but we do not require them. It is our corrupted Congress that needs to fix this.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:55 PM
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10. Actually, the problem may be the 'cementing' Halliburton was finishing right before the explosion
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 03:56 PM by flpoljunkie
4:14 P.M. Questions About Halliburton’s Role

“If unchecked, it will take about 50 days for the leak to eclipse the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska, the worst U.S. oil spill on record that sent 10.8 million gallons of crude oil into Prince William Sound,” Reuters explains. The news agency adds: “Shares of companies that provided services or operated the sunken Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, including Halliburton and Transocean, fell sharply as worry mounted about liability from the spill.”

What role did Halliburton play in the operation of the rig that exploded last week, setting off the spill? Russell Gold and Ben Casselman of The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday:

An oil-drilling procedure called cementing is coming under scrutiny as a possible cause of the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig in the Gulf of Mexico that has led to one of the biggest oil spills in U.S. history, drilling experts said Thursday.

The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn’t begun.

In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn’t known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast. <...>

The scrutiny on cementing will focus attention on Halliburton Co., the oilfield-services firm that was handling the cementing process on the rig, which burned and sank last week. <...>

According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. <...>

The timing of the cementing in relation to the blast—and the procedure’s history of causing problems—point to it as a possible culprit in the Deepwater Horizon disaster, experts said.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/30/updates-on-the-oil-slick-in-the-gulf-of-mexico/?hp
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:03 PM
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13. Halliburton also had a part in an oil rig that had problems in Australia.
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 04:03 PM by Jennicut
"Halliburton also was the cementer on a well that suffered a big blowout last August in the Timor Sea, off Australia. The rig there caught fire and a well leaked tens of thousands of barrels of oil over 10 weeks before it was shut down. The investigation is continuing; Halliburton declined to comment on it.

Elmer P. Danenberger, who had recently retired as head of regulatory affairs for the U.S. Minerals Management Service, told the Australian commission looking into the blowout that a poor cement job was probably the reason oil and natural gas gushed out of control."http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html

The only way this disaster is like Katrina is that the company that is involved has ties to Cheney, who was in the Bush Administration. Some workers died but this is not ignoring a problem nor fighting with local and state officials to get resources to people that need them.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:51 PM
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32. This industry is almost all self regulated
this is what the Republicans and their "free market" shit have done to the country.

There is a direct link from DeRegulation to these disasters.

Coal mine
Oil Rigs

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:36 PM
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5. actually, biometrics are measurable biological identifiers
such as DNA, fingerprint, iris print, etc.

biometrics only work if EVERYONE's biometric is registered. See, I could sell my fingerprints and nobody could cross reference the person who is actually USING my fingerprint bio and a prosthesis back to me.

If I'm registered, then someone "borrowing" my bio ID and a different name can't happen.

It creeps me out because our government has proven repeatedly that it's willing to violate our privacy without cause in their search for criminals or criminal behavior, so intellectually I like the idea of a national ID card with bio capture.

Practically though, unless we have unbreakable legislative guarantees, it's not a good idea. Imagine every purchase, toll tag, building entrance or even non-passive biometrics (face ident) building data sets about our daily activities.

That is NOT what government is for, or should be used for, whether or not one is a serbo-croation leftist guerilla or just a sweet old grammaw.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:50 PM
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:55 PM
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11. Weird 'cause I don't remember him getting a warning that this was going to happen. Nor
do I remember him playing air guitar while 1000s died. Not to mention doing some weird fly over not really having an idea what the hell is going on. Are people really so desperate to make news that they'll use any dumb ass comparison they can muster? How the fuck is any of this similar to Katrina and the lack of response to it?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 03:59 PM
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12. Thank you for posting this - I was wondering if I was the only one that felt that way.
He annoys the crap out of me. He's so opinionated he can't hold a conversation with someone that disagrees with him, he just starts shouting at them.


I miss Schuster :( He was my fav of the daytime lineup.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:43 PM
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17. I can't listen to Ratigan anymore
He is all over the place, being angry just for the sake of being angry and those stupid puppet props are insulting. I think he's trying to be a more sane, informed version of Glenn Beck.

I miss Schuster as well. I've always liked him.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:43 PM
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18. Schuster WAS the best in the daytime. Hope he gets a job somewhere.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:10 PM
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14. Mr. Ratigan has been kissy face with Wall street since his days at
CNBC and Bloomberg. Why would we assume that he ain't nothing but a set-up stooge,
lulling some into a false sense of who he is by his use of soundbytes that many love
to hear but aren't verifiable. Added to his soundbytes are the fact that he talks
as fast as possible in order to confuse the fuck out of anyone paying attention,
so that all they remember after he's spoken are the Luntz tested soundbyte words
that he knows so well.

All one has to do is to summarize what his bottom line is, and it is:

Be really mad, cause Both Parties stink,
but Democrats stink worse than Republicans,
and this President is no better than the last one.
because our economy stinks and it is the fault of
the Banks AND the government, this one and the last one, and the future one.....
so vote out Incumbents next November,
and if Democrats are in the majority and therefore
voting out incumbents means putting Republicans back in power,
oh Well!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:10 AM
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22. wow -- you couldn't be more off base, he's one of the few newsers who's been pounding
the airwaves against wall street.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:36 AM
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25. think carefully about what she is saying and what Ratigan is doing
Ratigan railing against Wall Street is not mutually exclusive from his agenda of putting Repubs back in power.

If you think he is being honest and unbiased you better get a neck brace because your head is going to spin if the Repubs get back in power.

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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 05:17 PM
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33. Frankly, I'm tired of "newsers" pounding and screaming and fussing
They all are sounding like Howard Beale -in love with their own voices and raging single-minded, pie-in-the-sky self-righteousness.

I would like more "newsers" to be "newsers." You know, report the news, tell me what's happening, interview people with the intent of eliciting information, not using them as foils to get their own opinions across - again and again and again - as if we don't already know exactly where they stand.

Many of these people are little more than than egomaniacal demagogues.

I'm sick and tired of being yelled at - even by people I agree with.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:10 PM
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15. Ratigan's usually at a ten
we need him to be at a two. :-)
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:26 PM
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16. You got that right.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:55 PM
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19. Any idiot can get a TV show today.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 04:56 PM
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20. Then I don't know who's worse. Ratigan or Scarborough. n/t
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 04:56 PM by Fire1
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:09 AM
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21. Ratigan is actually, hugely, on our side.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:48 PM
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:16 AM
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23. He's always full of shit. Can't stand the sound of his voice. n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:24 AM
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24. I watched that guy once, realized what he is and never watched him again
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:43 AM
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26. People who want a better world must stick to truth. Regardless the party they favor
If Rattigan is just stoking hate and anger, even if there are some progressive ideas involved, and if he purposely twists the truth, then he has become part of the problem. Randi Rhodes has started to do this to. She mistates facts and spins in order to make points. There is *no* reason to do that when it comes to progressive ideas. Truth and wisdom are already in our favor, we should use them, not abuse them.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 01:40 PM
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27. It took one show to turn away from him for good.
His blathering really makes me sick. And what is worse is that he tries to sugarcoat his push for fascism.

That is something this country does not need.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:17 PM
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28. You are misrepresenting biometrics just as badly as the others
If the information and medium was the same as our current IDs, there would not be any discussion to have. These are different, it is not a workable system in this nation, and it is not working well in those nations that currently use them.
So it is possible to have an actual discussion about them, but not on the basis that they are either 'just like a driver's license' or that they are 'the mark of the beast'. They are what they are, there are pros and cons, and it is even possible to speak with those who use them right now, and see what they think.
In order to counter bullshit, you need to be correct, not just to have other bullshit. Any form of national ID is going to be a huge, huge issue in this country, and it will not go away by claiming it is nothing new, when it most certainly is.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:37 PM
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29. From what i see Ratigan seems more for the people and hates both parties...
When i watch he seems to speak the truth but from the point of view where he hates both parties for being so corrupt. It seems he is about exposing the fraud of the politics of WA and doesnt care if it hurts the left, right, or the Whitehouse. I remember when he bashed the president for not being tough on Wallstreet and people here were hating on him for doing it....say all you want, Ratigan spoke the truth.

I honestly respect the guy....he is definitely hard on both sides and as a liberal i wish there were more people like him because i tihnk the Whitehouse, the left, and the right are corrupt and dont really care what the people think or want....they just want a big payday down the road.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:39 PM
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30. Too late to Rec..too bad..this should
get out that what some of us think of an ignorant tool.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 07:08 AM
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34. He's just a friggin' blowhard. He's always trying to start a meme.
Frack him. I can never stand him for more than five minutes.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:59 AM
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35. The problems with these 24/7 shows is this...
Dylan walks into the news meeting and the news producer shows him the ratings numbers. "We're slipping, Dylan, slipping..."

Dylan is embarrassed and wants to keep his news slot.

So what does the news producer say? "Listen, we have to make some waves out there in all the noise or we're going to get this show cancelled and you'll go back to CNBC. So we have to hit Obama with these points, which Luntz's boys came up with. Catchy, easy to yell out and we go on the attack."

Dylan smiles. "Let me see that shit!"


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