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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 06:33 PM
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Repaying Taxpayers With Their Own Cash

April 30, 2010
Repaying Taxpayers With Their Own Cash
By GRETCHEN MORGENSON

AS we inch closer to a clearer understanding of the products and practices that unleashed the credit crisis of 2008, it’s becoming apparent that those seeking the whole truth are still outnumbered by those aiming to obscure it. This is the case not only on Wall Street but also in Washington.

Truth seekers the nation over, therefore, are indebted to Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, who in recent days uncovered what he called a government-enabled “TARP money shuffle.” It relates to General Motors, which on April 21 paid the balance of its $6.7 billion loan under the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

<snip> Armed with this information, Mr. Grassley fired off a letter to Mr. Geithner on April 22, asking for details of the transaction. “I am concerned ... that this announcement is not what it seems,” he wrote. “In fact, it appears to be nothing more than an elaborate TARP money shuffle.”

Mr. Grassley heard back from the Treasury last Tuesday. Herbert M. Allison Jr., assistant secretary for financial stability, confirmed that the money G.M. used to repay its bailout loan had come from a taxpayer-financed escrow account held for the automaker at the Treasury.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/business/02gret.html?src=busln&pagewanted=print

BTW, Herbert M. Allison, Jr, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability of the United States, formerly of Merill Lynch and TIAA-CREF, was Senator John McCain's National Finance Chair for the Senator's first Presidential campaign. Part of his duties include overseeing the TARP fund, and when Elizabeth Warren asked him at a hearing how many people at Treasury monitor the recipients of TARP funds, his answer was 'none'.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 06:36 PM
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1. K&R - Amazing How Few People Realize The Hoodwinking We're Getting!
Edited on Sat May-01-10 06:42 PM by MannyGoldstein
Bankers uber alles!
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 06:48 PM
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2. To me it's really unfortunate
that GM comes up with this. It reminds me of somebody who lies, when telling the truth is easier.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:03 PM
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3. So he lied in those commercials, sorta. Well guess I will never recommend
Edited on Sat May-01-10 07:03 PM by Rex
a GM product nor will I ever by another GM vehicle. If they will so easily lie, so quickly after being bailed out - then why would I trust their vehicles?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:06 PM
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4. knr ...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/04/21/auto-industry-a-year-later

"The White House Blog

The Auto Industry a Year Later

Posted by Lawrence H. Summers on April 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM EDT

What a difference a year makes. Just about a year ago, the American auto industry was on the brink of collapse. Today, General Motors announced that it has repaid its $6.7 billion loan to the U.S. government in full five years ahead of schedule, and Chrysler announced that, after taking one-time charges last year associated with its restructuring, it produced an operating profit in the first quarter of 2010 for the first time since the economic crisis began. The prospect of a faster than anticipated exit from government involvement and a return of most of the taxpayers’ investment in these companies has materially improved..."




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:15 PM
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5. "Truth seekers the nation over, therefore, are indebted to Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican"
Oh brother. Now people are buying into Republican spin?

April 28 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Co., which repaid $4.7 billion in U.S. loans last week, properly used escrowed cash for the payment, a Treasury Department official said in responding to complaints from a Republican senator.

<...>

Allison said Grassley was incorrect in saying the escrow account was held at the Treasury, when the funds were held by the automaker.

GM Chief Executive Officer Ed Whitacre last week met U.S. lawmakers, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in Washington after announcing the repayment. Taxpayers own 61 percent of GM, a stake worth about $2.1 billion, as part of its 2009 bankruptcy financing.

The Treasury will start selling its GM shares when the automaker begins an initial public offering, Allison said.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:21 PM
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6. they didn't deny it was TARP money
Only disputed who was holding the money.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:31 PM
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8. Let's go with this spin: They gave the money back
What's the problem?

I think some people are desperately searching for outrage and finding FAIL.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:05 PM
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10. All They Did Was Liquidate a TARP Account They Were Holding
It's not like they earned money to pay it back - they simply may require less of a TARP buffer against disaster. Or they simply get it back the next time they have a disaster.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:18 PM
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11. "It's not like they earned money to pay it back"
Did they give it back?

The entire story is bogus, and portraying Grassley as a truthteller is absurd.

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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:10 PM
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13. It's deceptive
That's the problem. GM claims it paid back part of a government loan but omits the fact they used another government loan to do it.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:29 PM
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7. Please cross post this in the economy forum.
Lots of people there will be interested.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:44 PM
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9. Goodness! Who could not be impressed by an article written by Steve Forbes'
former press secretary and featuring actual quotes by that stellar intellect and pillar of integrity, Charles "Death Panels" Grassley?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:20 PM
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12. It's a new standard
It's call called utterly desperate.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:55 PM
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14. Pulitzer prize winner. "The Most Important Financial Journalist of Her Generation" -The Nation



The Most Important Financial Journalist of Her Generation
By Dean Starkman

This article appeared in the July 6, 2009 edition of The Nation.
June 17, 2009

On April 27, Lloyd Blankfein, chairman and chief executive of Goldman Sachs, sat down for a meeting at Goldman headquarters with Gretchen Morgenson, reporter, columnist and senior editor of the New York Times. The Wall Street titan and the Pulitzer Prize winner had never met, but this wasn't the usual polite getting-to-know-you session between reporter and source.

"I feel like I've been waterboarded," Blankfein told her, according to people familiar with the discussion. Blankfein was being dramatic, but he had reason to feel that way. It was Morgenson, after all, who had written the story this past fall that stripped the veil of secrecy from the most momentous closed-door deal in the annals of US finance: the government rescue of fallen insurance colossus American International Group. The September 28 story, "Behind Insurer's Crisis, a Blind Eye to a Web of Risk," was the first article published by a major news organization to reveal that the true beneficiaries of the bailout were the institutions to which AIG owed money, known as counterparties (mainly Wall Street investment banks). The 2,700-word piece said, among other things, that an AIG collapse "threatened to leave a hole of as much as $20 billion in Goldman's side" and that Blankfein attended a meeting at the Federal Reserve on September 15, the same day decisions were made to let Lehman Brothers fall and to save AIG.

Today this is common knowledge; until this story ran, though, it wasn't. The article was about as bold and valuable as business stories come and involved no small journalistic risks for the Times. Goldman, for instance, was able to wring a correction on the story and still feels wronged today. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who was then president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, called Morgenson and her editor to question the article's premise, The Nation has learned. The piece has been the subject of endless parsing on financial blogs and, privately, sniping by Morgenson's peers. Was Goldman really exposed to AIG? And if so, how? Was it fair to mention Blankfein's presence at the Fed?

It would be too much to say that the story was all in a day's work for Morgenson. It was extraordinary.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090706/starkman



Did you not know that? Or did you know that and just not mention it?



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:27 PM
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15. "The Most Important Financial Journalist of Her Generation"
Who writes: "Truth seekers the nation over, therefore, are indebted to Senator Charles E. Grassley"

The author may be impressed with Morgenson, but that doesn't make the OP aritle any less ridiculous.

Morgenson's articles have been described by Calculated Risk, a popular financial and economics blog, as "a noxious mixture of fact and hype, information and innuendo."

link


Kathleen Parker won a Pulitzer.



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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 11:58 PM
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16. Tanta was always good to read.
But nothing you have said addresses the facts of the shell game cited, and the government's playing along, much less counters them in any way. You have not claimed that this was repaid with cash from operations, so you presumably tacitly agree with the point of the post.

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