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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:22 PM
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Request for a link: "Obama refused to list his race on Harvard Law application"
Edited on Sat May-01-10 07:22 PM by activa8tr
Request for a link: "Obama refused to list his race on Harvard Law application

Does anyone have a link, or is that a rumor that somehow snowballed into fact?

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but someone on the web is contesting this, and I want some links.

I know, I know, it's ancient history, but I just LOVE to shoot the right wingers down with FACTS!!!

Any help in research would be appreciated.

Thanks, folks!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:23 PM
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1. If so, then he was declining any possible affirmative-action benefit
Edited on Sat May-01-10 07:23 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
So how your RW friends like that.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:29 PM
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4. Yes, but I need confirmation of fact, if anyone has it. Thanks!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:27 PM
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2. I would guess that black folks commonly do that, as a result of white folks' whining.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:29 PM
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5. Yes, but I need confirmation of fact, if anyone has it. Thanks!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:57 PM
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17. BlooInBloo you are right. On some occassions I have not
marked the box because I don't think that it's relevant.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:57 PM
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23. Nor have I for similar reasons. n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 10:42 PM
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35. In his case, he's bi-racial.
He is as white as he is black.

:shrug:
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:28 PM
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3. He belongs to the human race.
No one should state their race on any piece of paper where it can be used against you. The only exceptions are the US Census or medical records.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:29 PM
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6. Yes, but I need confirmation of fact, if anyone has it. Thanks!
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:30 PM
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7. Who cares? But what should he have written? The man is BOTH white AND black. I'd leave it blank.
Edited on Sat May-01-10 07:36 PM by Justitia
Wait! I just remembered his white side is Irish - he's Black Irish!

He's both, so I guess you could combine them to be "Blite" or "Whack"

No, he's a Space Alien!

:rofl:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:39 PM
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11. Good point
If someone is half black and half white, why should he say he is "black"? Leaving it blank seems appropriate to me, if that is what he did do. I don't understand why anyone is making this an issue anyway.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:01 PM
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24. What do most African Americans "put down?" I'm certainly not
going to put down, African, Scotch-Irish, German, Choctaw and Creek!! You're forgetting the "one drop" rule.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:04 PM
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25. If you're half and half though...
it's a little different. It would be interesting to see what "bi-racial" people put down. Part of the problem is that a lot of these forms don't account for the fact that people may identify as something other than black, white, asian, etc. especially nowadays. It forces them to put down what society would view them as, instead of what they view themselves as.

Personally, I avoid putting my race down unless it is required, and it rarely is. And I'm what society would refer to as "white". We need to encourage moving away from the one drop rule, because there are a LOT of people who don't operate on that rule anymore.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:36 PM
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27. There is no difference but white society makes it a difference,
Edited on Sun May-02-10 02:37 PM by Fire1
which is indicative of how we are most often treated. PO may be "half n half" but there are many of us who are much lighter in complexion than he is and can "pass" for white, if they so choose. He couldn't pass if he wanted to so it would be kind of stupid for him to declare himself anything other than African American. That can be a positive or a negative depending upon the circumstances.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:20 PM
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29. I understand the need for it...
on some forms like the Census, but they still should expand the field to include more options instead of having it based off of rather older ideas of race. I guess I was thinking someone like Obama could put down whatever they identify themselves as, including something like "biracial".
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:24 PM
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30. And "multi-racial" would be most accurate for the rest of us. n/t
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:28 PM
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31. True nt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:31 PM
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8. Never heard that one before
However, if he did refuse, I say cool.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:32 PM
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9. Perhaps so he didn't have to rely on affirmative action.
How could not identifying your race be a bad thing. I would say this a good thing, especially if you want to be accepted on your merits with without affirmative action help.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:34 PM
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10. Pull a birther on them. Demand the long form of the application.
And I'm being serious. It's not your job to disprove; it's theirs to prove.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:39 PM
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12. (1) Whoever makes a claim bear the burden of proving it. (2) Why should I give a rat's ass?
You can spend all your time debunking claims of liars and idiots. It takes about ten seconds to invent a fictitious factoid, and it can take hours or days to debunk it. So if you're not careful, you can waste lots of time on garbage -- the burden of proof is with the person making the claim

Beyond that, there is the question: who the fuck cares? Suppose, for example, somebody says, Barack Obama went to school with a serial killer. I have no idea whether it's true or not -- but what the hell difference would it make, whether it was true or not. Similarly, I say race is a bullshit idea, designed to justify things like enslaving folk or exterminating people to steal their land -- so why should I care whether Obama checked race A or race B or neither on his Harvard Law application?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:14 PM
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13. your discussion on the web sounds interesting
can you post a link?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:21 PM
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14. Why does this matter exactly?
If he didn't, then he was actively not taking advantage of affirmative action. Given that Freepers hate the idea of any minorities being given consideration over white people, I'd think they'd applaud this.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:24 PM
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15. Why don't you ask whomever on the web is asserting this to
share a link with you. Then we can discuss it; either way, I can't find proof of what he did or didn't put on his Harvard Law application. I imagine your web friend can't either.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 08:55 PM
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16. I have no idea whether he did or didn't, nor do I give a damn.
One would think that college applications, like one's college transcript, are PRIVATE and not to be released to the public by anyone other than the student involved.

Why do YOU care? Seriously. Of what possible relevance is ti?
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:41 PM
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18. Who cares..
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:19 PM
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19. Here ya go. "Obama didn’t even tell Harvard Law School that he was black on his application."
Maureen Dowd. Didn't have time to check further.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/opinion/06dowd.html?ex=1375761600&en=6fd9d01b3779159a&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:58 AM
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20. Thank you! n/t
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:32 PM
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21. Interesting
and Dowd presents the fact(?) as a positive one, which it is. Why would anyone use that to diss Obama?
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:15 PM
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32. She doesn't say where that comes from.
I doubt he told her that or she would have wrote that.
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mariawr Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:46 PM
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22. It is no one's business even if he put pokka dotted with stripes..
to hell with them digging through every shred of his life looking for shit.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:07 PM
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26. Good for him if he did...
I refuse to put my race down whenver I can, especially on applications of any sort.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 03:04 PM
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28. Why bother...
facts never sway that side. If it ain't in the bible, they ain't buying it.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:50 PM
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33. Obama has never denied drowning puppies - not once /nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 10:05 PM
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34. That's cool if he did
Not that it matters on whit either way
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