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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:26 PM
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Interesting Marc Ambinder tweet: "The Obama-Gates deal was: Gates gets Obama out of the two wars,
Edited on Sun May-09-10 10:34 PM by Pirate Smile
and Gates gets to transform the military."

It is relative to the huge speech Gates gave this weekend:

http://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/13700945190

Gates Criticizes Bloated Military Bureaucracy
Defense Secretary Vows Top-Down Assessment of Pentagon Budget, from Staffing to Ubiquitous "Overhead" Costs


(CBS) Secretary of Defense Robert Gates shook up the Pentagon this weekend with a speech targeting waste in the military budget. CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports on what the secretary's speech might mean for everyone from generals and admirals on down
Gates has frequently complained the Pentagon bureaucracy takes too long to field critical pieces of equipment like predator drones and mine resistant vehicles. But in a speech this weekend he upped the ante.

"The Defense Department must take a hard look at every aspect of how it is organized, staffed and operated - indeed every aspect of how it does business," the defense secretary said.
Speaking at the Eisenhower Library, which houses the records of the president who famously warned about the military-industrial complex, Gates ticked off example after example of Pentagon bloat.

"Overhead, broadly defined, makes up roughly 40 percent of the department's budget," he said.
He described a top-heavy bureaucracy where generals hang on to their jobs long after the need has vanished.
"Two decades after the end of the cold war led to steep cuts in U.S. forces in Europe, our military still has more than 40 generals, admirals or civilian equivalents based on the continent," Gates said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/09/eveningnews/main6470348.shtml





From back in March 2009.
Gates, Obama to Take on Military-Industrial Complex

There have been a lot of smoke signals indicating that Robert Gates and Barack Obama are gearing up to take on the bloated defense weapons system sector, but there have also been a fair number of contrary signals. Now the signals are looking both clear and good:

Two defense officials who were not authorized to speak publicly said Gates will announce up to a half-dozen major weapons cancellations later this month. Candidates include a new Navy destroyer, the Air Force’s F-22 fighter jet, and Army ground-combat vehicles, the officials said. More cuts are planned for later this year after a review that could lead to reductions in programs such as aircraft carriers and nuclear arms, the officials said.


This is excellent news. Matt Duss observes:

This is welcome news. As I wrote yesterday, one of the key strategic misconceptions of the Bush administration was to focus on threats from strong state actors rather than non-state actors operating within weak and failed states. (Last fall, CAP’s Brian Katulis argued — as did I — that Gates’ demonstrated approach to 21st century national security challenges was a good reason to keep him in place in an Obama administration.)


Andrew Exum observes that this means the Gates Pentagon will now be fighting a three front war, adding “the bi-partisan coalition of lobbyists, congressmen, and industry leaders” to their existing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. Meanwhile, Gordon Adams in a guest post at Democracy Arsenal takes on the specious economic argument for continuing with strategically blinkered weapons programs

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/03/gates_obama_to_take_on_military_industrial_complex.php
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:29 PM
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1. Sounds like a win-win deal to me...
I'll have to check out his speech.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:38 PM
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2. It's been playing on C-Span today.....
Looks like there's about some turning upside down of status quo things round these parts.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:45 PM
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3. Shouldn't we be applauding cutting bloated Pentagon bureaucracy?
And maybe Gates is just the man to do that. He cannot be smeared as yet another anti-military liberal with an anti-Pentagon agenda.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:55 PM
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5. Hell, yes, we should be applauding.
:)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:00 AM
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14. For some the fact that he doesn't cut it in half tomorrow means that he is
a war monger.

Gates may be the best Secretary of Defense since the post was created.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:50 PM
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4. other than perhaps transit stop over points we dont need any US military in or FOR europe nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:59 PM
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6. I've been noticing
something was up with Gates - he seems to be on board with something - this makes sense.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:10 PM
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7. Change
Sometimes you don't see it coming until it's here.

:thumbsup:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:45 PM
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8. We'll be cutting the shit out of most everything in a couple of years
My retirement will be delayed as result, but watching the Pentagon get its ass kicked will be no small consolation.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:47 PM
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9. And Obama forgives Gates Iran-Contra sins. nm
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:16 AM
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10. Interesting. But isn't Gates going to leave this year?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:23 AM
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11. It's going to take more than a 2-3% cut, but it makes nice foil
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:24 AM by chill_wind
for the $33 billion he's demanding from Congress by the end of the month.

Don't look there:

Afghanistan war supplemental bill needs to be passed this month, Reid says

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8295361

Look over heeeere!!

Gates seeks big cuts in military spending

The Defense secretary invokes Dwight Eisenhower as he calls for spending reductions in military healthcare and the command structure. He wants to cut $10 billion to $15 billion from a $547-billion Pentagon base budget.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4373338

Cuts in miltary healthcare? Right now? REALLY?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:14 AM
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12. More information on expanded role of privatized military (Xe, DynCorp leap to mind) is required. nt
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besdayz Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:50 AM
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13. military cuts
very keen strategic move to keep a conservative on as SecDef and use him to control spending.

the right will complain and try to paint him as anti-military but in 6 yrs when we are booming again and the govt has a surplus we will look back and see how wise he was to cut waste unpopularly.

cut wars, cut weapons, cut military bases. military is 54% of budget.

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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:17 AM
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15. Military, Industrial, and _Congressional_ Complex (original Eisy draft)
I do like, so much more, the original draft of Eisy's speech, where he actually spoke of the Military, Industrial, and Congressional Complex.....

Let's not forget the whoring of defence dollars in the name of bringing home the bacon....that YOUR congressperson does!

Try dropping stealth or some other booddoggle will be impossible when you find that there are people employed in every congressional district supporting it....
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:16 PM
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19. It is a jobs program and they want to force crap on the Military which they don't even want.
Remember, it was a shock that Obama and Gates won on the cuts to the F-22 Jets. That was a big win last year that didn't get that much play - just like reforming student loans.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:05 AM
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16. Rumsfeld said much the same on Sep 10, 2001 with $2.3 trillion then unaccounted for
We remember how we saved money at the Pentagon after that. Hell, Rumsfeld and friends were already planning to invaid Iraq.

And that missing $2.3 trillion, hard to track because of the losses, people and documents, that were in the section of the Pentagon hit the next day.

BTW Dig down in the linked article for a trip down memory-hole lane. Really makes me wary of anyone tainted by the University of Chicago cabal.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091001defensebudget&scale=1#a091001defensebudget
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:42 PM
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17. I'll be impressed and pleased if it's not all smoke and mirrors.
n.t.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:07 PM
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18. Next social security...after all we cut defense. Right? nt
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