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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:49 PM
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Alexander Cockburn: "Kagan is the worst possibility thus far to surface"
Edited on Sun May-09-10 10:51 PM by brentspeak
Kagan is now the actual choice and no longer just a possibility. Still, this is a good summation of Kagan and Obama's decision-making. Cockburn also makes the important observation that Justice Stevens was the Court's last link to America's Great Depression. So its even more distressing to know that the person nominated to replace Stevens -- Kagan -- was formerly employed by Goldman Sachs.



http://www.truthout.org/this-will-be-obamas-legacy58652

As Obama and his counselors ponder potential nominees, the air is filled with counsel that Obama should avoid a protracted fight and should pick "a moderate" -- i.e., pro-business, pro-government -- nominee, like Elena Kagan, 49, now solicitor general and, in earlier years, head of the Harvard Law School and, before that, Clinton's deputy domestic policy adviser, in which capacity she oversaw, among other assignments, welfare "reform." One of her colleagues at the White House at that time was Christopher Edley, now the Dean at Boalt, the law school at UC Berkeley. Edley says of Kagan that her politics were "center to center-right."

In the Clinton administration, Kagan helped formulate the Democratic equivalent of what became, in the subsequent W. Bush years, the assertion of unitary executive power. There's zero evidence that Kagan would do anything to redress the right-wing tilt of the Court and plenty that she might exacerbate it, in the areas of executive power, civil liberties and assertion of presidential war powers. In her confirmation hearings as solicitor general, she so entranced the right with her proclamations in favor of the War on Terror, indefinite detention and against any pursuit of war crimes investigations, that Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) said, "it sounded like she was getting a standing ovation from the Federalist Society."

Kagan is the worst possibility thus far to surface...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:51 PM
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1. and there is no paper trail, as it would have been with someone with judicial or political
background. Kagan has been a political appointee, like Harriet Myers.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:20 PM
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34. Both were also friends of the President.
And of course, the President doesn't have that much of a paper record, either. Just sayin'.

As a fellow Midwesterner (Michigan), I'd like to see someone from the center of the country like Stevens. He's shown a lot of midwestern common sense on the bench of the type that I doubt Kagan will.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:53 PM
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2. Alex Cockburn couldn't tell the difference between Gore and Bush
Moron.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:39 AM
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28. Couldn't tell the difference between Bush and Gore, wrote SBVT like garbage in 2004 and hated Obama
Edited on Mon May-10-10 08:00 AM by karynnj
He has no credibility at all. Anyone who could look at John Kerry and say that he is " far more bloodthirsty" than Bush and that he would stay in Iraq longer than Bush is both a liar and a useless buffoon.

There are reasons that he and Counterpunch have been considered poor sources and hateful.

From Wikipedia, you can see that his opinions are completely not part of the Democratic spectrum. He has even attacked politicians as liberal and progressive as Bernie Sanders. But in some cases, his opinions are so to the left - that they wrap around and are closer to the far right. He does not think that climate change has had any man made cause and is critical of the attempt to move to greener energy. He also has been accused of being anti-Semitic.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:55 PM
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3. Cockburn is looking at what's happening and not seeing it as clearly as
he should.

"...the worst possibility thus far to surface.." -- God, what idiotic hyperbole.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:59 PM
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5. ?
Translation needed.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:00 PM
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7. I disagree with Cockburn's take.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:57 PM
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4. And they thought Souter was going to be a conservative Justice, too.
She won't be working for President Clinton and she won't be Solicitor General. As Supreme Court Justice, no one will be looking over her shoulder and she won't have to play those games any longer. I predict she'll move to the left, while retaining an ability to influence those in the center.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:59 PM
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6. You "predict she'll move to the left" based on what?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:04 PM
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9. Obama would never do anything conservative
Outside of half the things he's done so far that is.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:05 PM
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10. That Obama spent a lot of time talking to her and knows her views -- and he's
a progressive.

That she started her career by clerking for Thurgood Marshall.

That her jobs in government have involved carrying out someone else's policy -- not deciding her own.

That she's pro choice and pro gay rights -- not typical of centrists or conservatives.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:18 AM
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14. "he's a progressive"
?????
Yeah, right. He and DLCer Rahm keep telling the Democratic wing of the Democratic party to go fuck themselves.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:07 AM
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17. He's not a progressive - he wouldn't be allowed on DU because of his position on gay marriage
He's center-right.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:01 AM
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26. He;d be driven off DU for his position on gay marriage
but it would not disqualify him

He's more progressive than most of the hard line leftists on this site.

And a damned sight more intelligent, too.

Greenwalders want to destroy the Democratic Party.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:31 AM
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30. No, he'd not be 'driven off' he'd be Tombstoned by the
owners of the site for breaking the rules with right wing postings. That you would paint that as being 'driven off'- he's passively being forced out- as opposed to saying 'he'd get himself thrown off the site for breaking the rules' is so telling.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:20 PM
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33. Yup - not supporting gay marriage is a violation of DU rules
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:24 PM by bananas
Skinner: "We expect all of our members to support equal rights for all people, regardless of sexual orientation. That includes the right to marry. ... If you are opposed to gay rights, you are a homophobe. Don't share that particular point of view here or else you're going to get banned. You've been warned."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1324374&mesg_id=1324374

Obama: "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."
http://www.queerty.com/obama-prop-8-unnecessary-but-doesnt-believe-in-gay-marriage-20081103
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

Some previous discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5838469&mesg_id=5839025
I wasn't the first to point it out.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:06 PM
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11. brentspeak, your comment there needs to be a reversible sweatshirt.
You typed, "You 'predict she'll move to the left' based on what?"

and might just as convincingly typed, "You 'predict she'll move to the right' based on what?" -- had that been the turn of point.

Once a nominee is confirmed he or she is unbeholden to former career political inclinations. There are contradictory elements in almost any public official. Not as striking perhaps as Professor Rekers' contradictory elements, but in one degree or other, contradictions pertain.

Kagan will be scrutinized by the Senate. Jeff Sessions will be predictably nasty to her and dismissive. The right-wing hate hosts on the tv and radio will bellow and howl. But in the end the strengths of her candidacy for this post will win the day and she will be confirmed, IMO.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:29 AM
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15. No, Souter was chosen as a moderate.
And he turned out to be a moderate. He only looks liberal relative to the rightward shift in the court since 1992.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:03 PM
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8. LOL. Alexander Cockburn?
Of Counterpunch?

Who has been a serial Obama-basher since 2006. http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04242006.html

Who referred to "Obama, the first-rate Republican" just prior to election 2008. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/alexander-cockburn-obama-the-firstrate-republican-973691.html

Whatever. Zero credibility.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:31 AM
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16. different opinions, I guess.
I find him more credible than crap like the Washington Post or New York Times, which I feel have zero credibility.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:48 AM
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31. I find him more credible than those who claim invisible beings
tell them to discriminate against minorities they don't like. More credible than political figures who say some Americans are 'sanctified' and others are not.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:38 PM
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:10 AM
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13. He would say that for any front-runner in any Obama nomination process.
As predictable as gravity.
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LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:32 AM
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18. Is it true that she's friends with Scalia? FUCK!!! NT
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:03 AM
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19. So? Ruth Bader Ginsberg is great friends with Scalia. nt
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:15 AM
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20. Yes But...but...but
Edited on Mon May-10-10 06:16 AM by rpannier
But... Their friends!!!!!!!!
That's practically like they share the same brain. The same politics...

I wrote a post expressing my opinion on the topic

I'm not panicking and I'm hardly upset

His last nominee is a winner

It's too difficult to predict what people will do once they're on the bench

History is too full of people that disappointed the President that nominated them (most of the disappointed have been Republican Presidents)

edited for their, they're, there misuse
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:27 AM
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21. Of all the griping I've read here, this complaint is just silly.
I'm sure we all know rethugs; doesn't mean we think like them or agree with them.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:34 AM
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22. Exactly
My mother was a Republican (she passed away 3 years ago)
Loved her dearly.
Her politics and mine were not the same

I live in Korea and have an Italian friend who proudly proclaims he is a fascist. Quote from him "I'm a fascist. My father is a fascist. My grandfather was too."

We never talk politics.
Though it was funny to watch him destroy a Glen Beck-type over dinner

I have been critical of Obama and some of his choices, but people need to step back a bit and examine what they're saying
Because it borders on paranoid
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:49 AM
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25. Not friends!
Unforgivable!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:46 AM
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23. Yipee (nt)
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:48 AM
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24. Hooray for welfare reform I guess.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:31 AM
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27. How unfortunate it must be to have a name like "Cockburn"
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:40 AM
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29. You think that made him the hateful person he is?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:28 PM
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35. Perhaps... n/t
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:40 AM
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32. Cockpunch is a global warming denier
Edited on Mon May-10-10 11:40 AM by Teaser
I have very little interest in his opinions on anything.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:29 PM
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36. Cockburn's hyperbole renders his opinion ridiculous.
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