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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:06 AM
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Only the forth woman ever. Obama nominated two of them
The man is shaking the world.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:07 AM
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1. And he's shaking up the Republicans!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:29 PM
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43. Yes he is my dear Peggy
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:09 AM
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2. The next one will be a woman too!
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:10 AM by FrenchieCat
Watch!

He'll be known as the President who changed the court to reflect better
the United States!

There should be 5 women on the court, at least, if you ask me.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:27 AM
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7. So should the court "reflect America" in other ways, or just by gender?
I have no problem with more women on the court, but it shouldn't be a reason to exclude a better candidate (say, Harold Koh, for example) just because he happens to have a penis between his legs. There really wasn't much of a surprise that Obama was going for another woman this time around, and it's certainly not one of my objections to Kagan. I'd just hate to think that some great candidates were never even up for consideration, based on that alone.

Now if you want to look at the "new" court in another respect, it's now 66.6% Catholic and 33.3% Jewish. Is that an accurate representation of America? The Protestants are losing their last representative, and the Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans, Native Americans, Atheists, and Agnostics never had one to begin with. And yeah, religion obviously enters into some big cases that are likely to come up in the near future, so it is an important factor, like it or not.

Or for that matter, just the fact that no judges from the West Coast were given any serious consideration. Shouldn't the Supreme Court, which makes decisions for the entire country, have a membership made up of the entire country? (This one should actually be easy enough to resolve. You have 9 federal court districts, and 9 slots on the Supreme Court. Should be one justice from each district, and when that Justice retires or dies, the replacement is appointed from that same region.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:04 AM
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8. Yes, it should reflect America in other ways.
But gender is as good a place to start as anywhere. Religion next. I, personally, would love to see an atheist or Muslim Asian woman of color from the West Coast. Hey, I can dream, can't I?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:42 AM
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19. We've focused on gender and race for far too long.
Wouldn't a person's EXPERIENCES be more important than that they look different? How about a person with AIDS? Or a single mother? Or a former orphan? Why the obsession with race and gender all the time?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:12 PM
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25. What, do you think we live in a non-sexist, post-racial society?
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:34 PM by intheflow
If so, you are most likely a white male, living a privileged life even if you are financially destitute. 50% of the US population is female, about 33% are people of color. The court has been overwhelmingly white and male since the country started, their experiences have contributed to the clusterfuck our country finds itself in today. And a person with AIDS? Now you're just being ridiculous. A president wants his appointees to be able to shape US law for 30 or 40 years, no one in his right mind would appoint someone with a terminal illness.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:34 PM
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:36 PM
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27. Try improving your reading comprehension.
I said you were "most likely a white male." Explain to me how that makes me a bigot? And as a black male, answer the question: do you think we live in a post-racial society? You, personally, have never experienced any racism in your life?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:42 PM
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28. Sorry, but I can't even take you seriously with that picture in your post.
Thanks to folks like you, in a generation young Americans won't even know what Nazism was. You're diluting what were once very powerful words (including "racism," "sexism") into meaningless tools of political convenience, so I doubt a real conversation about "race" would get very far with you.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:44 PM
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29. +1 n/t
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:53 PM
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36. Merrium Webster definition of fascism:
Fascism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>


You don't think Arizona is exalting race and nation above the individual brown-skinned citizens demanding they have papers proving their citizenship on them all the time? That's exactly the first step the Nazi's took with the Jews. Fascism is not relegated to only on place in one point in history. The fact that the term was coined in 1921 - thirteen years before Hitler was even elected - proves how little you actually know about history, Nazism, and fascism.

And for you information, I am the only white employee of a minority non-profit that works to educate people about white privilege. I have a masters degree in social justice, an interdisciplinary degree that spans the studies of race, gender and class. My undergraduate degree was in political science, with a minor in history. I know exactly what I'm talking about in this thread, and with my sig line picture. You, however, have once again offered nothing of substance to this conversation.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:59 PM
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38. Welcome to the club. BA in History, Masters in Health Administration and an MBA.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 02:00 PM by newtothegame
Foundation Director for our hospital and director of a children's cancer charity. Meanwhile, your entire job is to make my race feel sorry for itself? Seriously?

I don't know what's more shocking, that paid jobs like that exist, or that you paid for a Masters degree to get there...

ed for sp
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:04 PM
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39. I'm not making your race feel sorry for itself.
I'm empowering people to recognize the uneven playing field they've inherited from the structures of government and work to bring about peaceful change. If you think talking about white privilege makes "your race" feel sorry for itself, well, that sounds like you've internalized the oppression and are projecting it back onto me.

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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:06 PM
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40. Fair enough. Salud. nt
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:09 PM
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41. And:
You work with cancer patients and you're suggesting someone with a terminal illness be appointed to the court? :eyes:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 04:01 AM
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55. +2
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:58 PM
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31. It makes you a bigot because it is convenient for me to call you that, and hopefully calling you...
that makes me win the argument. See how easy that is?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:38 PM
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33. Ah, another well-reasoned response.
In essence you're saying, "I win my argument because I say I win my argument." Meanwhile, you've neither answered my questions nor offered any evidence of my bigotry.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:48 PM
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35. "I win my argument because I say I win my argument."
And that's exactly what you've done by using the Nazi flag to argue against the Arizona law my friend.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:14 AM
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11. It's less important that judges reflect the people of the US, than to defend them.
I want a judge who considers habeas corpus an inalienable right. One who isn't okay with dungeons.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:17 AM
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12. The CJ should be a woman
Too bad it'll be thirty years before the next CJ is named.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:13 AM
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3. Let's not count our chickens before they hatch, she is not on the court yet. nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:13 AM
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4. We do take a lot for granted, don't we?
A black President nominating a Hispanic and a Jewish woman to the court, and we quibble that they aren't 'liberal' enough.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:14 AM
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5. If Kagan is confirmed, and I believe she will be, it is indeed Obama who
acknowledged two strong women and nominated them for the Supreme Court.

Recommended.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:18 AM
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6. Well, W did nominate a woman
Harriet Myers. And the repukes nuked that one too.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:49 AM
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51. not true....Miers was not taken down by the repukes alone
The Democrats and GOP took her out because she was a fucking joke.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:09 AM
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9. But has he nominated a transgender person yet?
Shame. Shame.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:35 AM
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10. And not only is one a woman, but a woman of color. Bravo.
I love this man and what he is trying to do.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:18 AM
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13. That is a big Woo Hoo from me.. K&R
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:23 AM
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14. I'm lovin' it
:bounce:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:54 AM
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15. bah humbug says Greenwald
filibuster her
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:01 AM
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16. Now THAT is change we can believe in!
:applause:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:07 AM
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17. Wow... so Reagan and Bush were actually awesome?
Had Obama nominated Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman would he be wonderful for doing so?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:00 PM
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20. If they had chosen appointees like Sotomayer and Kagan, your claim would be valid.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:00 PM by ClarkUSA
Then again, demonstrably false equivalency in an effort to score political points off President Obama's achievements is never valid.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:33 AM
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49. Hmmm... lets' see whether that has any validity
Edited on Tue May-11-10 12:37 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
The full text of the OP:

"Only the forth woman ever. Obama nominated two of them. The man is shaking the world."

First, the OP is false. There have been five women nominated, not four. There have been three women on the court, not four.

Second, the OP implicitly treats nominating women as an independent good, which makes my reply perfectly sensible.

Reagan put the first woman on the court. Bush II nominated as many women as Clinton did. So the awesomeness of female nominations for the sake of female nominations is not apparent.

Now let's look at your typically nasty comment:

"Then again, demonstrably false equivalency in an effort to score political points off President Obama's achievements is never valid."

"demonstrably false equivalency" Okay, so you are contending that neither O'Connor or Meyers were biologically female. Otherwise the equivalency is sound in replying to the OP which addresses nothing other than biological gender. Yes, the equivalency is indeed worthless, but the equivalency was drawn by the OP and criticized by me.

"in an effort to score political points off President Obama's achievements..."

It may surprise you (and impik) to learn that impik is not President Obama.

Pointing out the fatuity of the OP can hardly be read as a criticism of Obama unless one has a serious transference issue and believes themselves to be functionally equivalent to the President. (ie, Attacks on me are attacks on Obama.)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:03 PM
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21. They didn't nominate any women which is one of the knocks against them
so your comments are just plain silly
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:06 PM
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22. Reagan nominated Sandra Day O'Connor
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:07 PM
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24. Who for a Republican, wasn't the worst justice in the world
which only makes the idea posted sound even sillier
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:24 AM
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48. And O'Connor was, as is often the case with people named "Sandra,"
a woman.

Therefore, Reagan nominated a woman to serve on the Supreme Court.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:17 AM
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46. They both nominated women. You are embarrassing yourself.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:23 AM
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47. One must possess at least some rudimentary sense of self awareness
in order to feel embarrassment.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 11:38 AM
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18. He is indeed, shaking the world. (nt)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:06 PM
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23. I don't care what gender, race, or creed these appointments are.
I want to know where they stand on:

*Corporation vs Consumer

*Government vs Citizen

*Rich vs All the rest of us

I am race/gender blind in this very important placement.
It is certainly nice to have diversity on the court,
but not near as important as the issues listed above.
After all, Clarence Thomas is Black.



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners)
at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:49 PM
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30. As I said above, the race/gender thing is ridiculous in the first place.
If you want diversity, put them in based on life experiences, not whether they look better in tans/browns than you.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:13 PM
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32. I'm a woman who could give a fuck about "women" being appointed. Give me a progressive.
I'd rather have a Stevens than a Sandra Day, thanks.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:53 PM
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37. thank you! Seems like some are trying to divert the issue away from her inexperience.
Such an Oprah moment! But the Tiger Beat stance is just another shiny keys moment. :eyes:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:00 AM
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54. There must be a thousand people who have been a dean of law at Harvard, and Solicitor General!
Why does being Solicitor General for the United States count as legal experience?

Shouldn't listening to people argue about traffic tickets and divorce settlements count for more than having actual experience arguing before the Supreme Court?

:sarcasm:
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:40 PM
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34. Who's next?
Eva Braun?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:36 PM
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44. So, Kagan is like Eva Braun...how, exactly?
I'm confused. :shrug:


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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:54 PM
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45. Kagan is not like Eva Braun.
:shrug:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:58 AM
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53. Braun's death some decades ago might be considered a strongly
disqualifying factor to her nomination.

On the plus side, Jeff Sessions would probably vote for her anyway.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:16 PM
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42. He's definitely right to appoint another woman.
But he could have chosen a lot better than this nominee.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:42 AM
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50. fourth
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:56 AM
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52. 5 have been nominated
That is counting Harriet Miers. But yes, 2 of the 5 have come from Obama.
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