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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:09 AM
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As a New Yorker, I love the idea of three women from the Big Apple being on the Supreme Court.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 10:09 AM by ClarkUSA
I forgive Elena Kagan for being a Mets fan. :P
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:10 AM
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1. K & R!
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Yeahyeah Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:11 AM
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2. Deep.
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madchick44 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:54 PM
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51. Damn, i wanted a protestant, black woman,from the mid-west!
Or from the deep south. Oh, well.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:13 AM
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3. And as a Daughter of the Prairies, I Think It's a Foolish Concentration
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:16 AM
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6. Actually, I think the court is too Ivy League. Let's have some folks from state Us on the Supremes.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:18 AM
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7. +1000
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:10 PM
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18. Yes, and someone who came from that same state,
not a carpetbagger from the northeast.

I don't feel represented by this court as a Michigan native and the holder of a state U degree.

I'm sure that there are some southerners and westerners who think the same way.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:31 PM
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22. No doubt. I agree. nt
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:13 PM
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26. This Westerner would love to have someone from west of the Mississippi
Somedays I'll even settle for someone who lives and works west of the Hudson. There are other law schools other than the Ivies - I hear U. of Chicago has one :)
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:31 PM
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27. Northwestern in Chicago is also very good, and that's where Stevens went.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 03:36 PM by amandabeech
Someone graduating near the top of his or her class at Big State U is usually pretty sharp cookie, too.

And for private, there's Stanford.

This court is looks a little claustrophobic.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:00 PM
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35. I'm surprised UMich the U or law school is not represented. It has a very high profile here
in DC. Very high.

Oddly enough, it's the UChicago Law School that gave us the conservative creeps that impeached Clinton.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:11 PM
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40. U-Michigan is very good, if I don't say so myself.
I did my undergrad there and we are taking over D.C.

It also has a much more progressive reputation than U-Chicago.

But some folks have a very negative view of state schools, and the Ivy League clique is very, very strong.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:29 PM
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46. I've run head-first into the Ivy League wall several times...
my best buddy has a phd from UM. My neighbor across the hall does too.

My dad almost went there but USNA was free, so he didn't.

UMich folks are taking over DC, I guess they just haven't gotten to the court yet.

It's funny, I'm in Soviet/Russian studies, and the conference is ALWAYS the weekend of the OSU-UM game. It's amazing how the panels empty out and the bars fill!
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:25 PM
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47. We'll get to the court eventually.
U-M and OSU alums are very loyal, especially U-M. I remember the days of Bo vs. Woody, and I still love to cremate Ohio state. Of course, back then, it was, "Save fuel, burn Woody."

We all loved Ann Arbor and have very, very good memories.

It was a place with excellent academics but down to earth people.

I don't know what it is with the Ivies. They look down on everyone except maybe Stanford, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore. Most of them are lots of sizzle, but less steak.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:23 PM
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44. LOL - state U graduates for the Supreme Court of the United States --
That's dangerously close to the Hruska position:

"...there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:44 PM
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49. Folks that go to state universities are "mediocre?" nt
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:08 PM
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17. I'm with you on that Demeter,
although I consider myself a daughter of the frozen tundra, aka western lower Michigan.

I also would like someone who isn't all ivied up.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:13 AM
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4. I don't...but apparently she doesn't worship Satan...so that's one plus
in her favor.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:15 AM
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5. The Poster Formerly Known As MookieWilson thinks it's GREAT! nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:23 AM
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8. Now THAT'S amnesty...
:rofl:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:01 PM
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9. I need a Sex and the City photo chop POST HASTE!!!
... replace Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte and Miranda's heads with Ruth, Sonya, Elena and .... I dunno .... Hillary's!

'twould be a hoot!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:32 PM
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23. NOW you've done it - someone will come up with that nudie photo in Jon Stewart's book!
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:06 PM
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10. Yes, because a court that represents the entire United States
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:09 PM by Sebastian Doyle
now has 1/3 of its membership from one fucking city.

Yeah, that's logical.

There are 9 positions on the Supreme Court. There are 9 federal court districts. The answer is obvious - One justice from each district, and when that justice retires or dies, they are replaced by another from that district.

Given the makeup of these 9 districts, it would still be ridiculously biased towards the East Coast, but at least not to one city.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:16 PM
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11. Well, he could have gone with that guy from Montana.
But I think Kagan would make a better Justice then Sidney Johnson.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:47 PM
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15. Why wasn't Pam Karlan ever seriously considered?
Yeah, she was really from Virginia, but at least she's more recently from Stanford. Technically, not a West Coast native, but a step in the correct direction.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:20 PM
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13. I'm not from NY, but I'm happy these women are.
I love the Big Apple, and better that than three women from Utah or something.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:45 PM
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14. What's logical is that he has chosen two women he feels will do a great job.
Edited on Mon May-10-10 12:45 PM by 4lbs
Regardless of what state they may hail.

I can imagine it:

"Well Mrs. Justice, you are extremely qualified, but darnit, you are from New York, and we already have several from there, so I can't pick you." :eyes:


Hey, you know what, the majority of the U.S. Presidents have come from the New England area. I think that's unfair! We should have EVERY state have a U.S. President. So from now on, the next U.S. President must come from Idaho or Montana! Is that logical?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:54 PM
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16. Actually, in our lifetime, most of the Presidents have allegedly come from the South.
And far too much Congressional power seems to end up in their hands as well.

I don't think ANY one region should dominate any branch of government.

As I said before, when it comes to the Supreme Court, the answer is simple enough. You have 9 federal circuits and 9 positions on the bench. One justice from each.

Now that may well mean that your Repuke president would appoint someone from Idaho, and the Democratic president would nominate someone from Seattle or San Francisco, but that's no different than the existing political nature of the appointments. At least the entire country could claim to be represented by the court.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:15 PM
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19. Actually, there are 12 circuits if you include the D.C.-based Federal Ciruit.
The old 5th circuit split into the 5th (in the west, like Texas) and the East (like Georgia).

The old 9th split, too. Many of the mountain states are now in the 10th, and the 9th sticks to the coast.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:26 PM
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20. Well, the idea of expanding the Supreme Court has been brought up in the past, for that matter.
I wouldn't be opposed to that, if I thought Obama might actually name some LIBERALS.

I do think the court should be more representative of the entire country though, in every way possible. And 1/3 of the members coming from one city, or the entire body coming from just two religious faiths, or all of them being from Ivy League schools, just does not accomplish that.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 01:40 PM
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21. I agree with your diversity points.
It doesn't feel like my court, that's for sure.

And yes, ideas to expand the court have been tried. Our second President Roosevelt had a bad experience with that, although he survived politically and got the decisions he wanted generally.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:03 PM
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37. FDR's most recent biographer, Jean Smith thinks FDR would have gotten
away with it had he asked for just two or three.

That looks like a Krispy Kreme and coffee.

I've been on a diet...
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:09 PM
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39. I'll have to read that Smith book.
No, it's not meant to be Krispy Kreme.

It's supposed to be a regular Dunkin' Donuts.

There are still plenty of calories, though.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:02 PM
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36. Isn't it interesting the bloc that Jews and conservative Catholics have on the court? nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:32 PM
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24. Them's that has, gets. There you go. nt
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:35 PM
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28. Captain, that attitude is one reason why New Yorkers aren't as well loved outside their native
habitat, which increasingly seems to be D.C.

I usually like your posts, and diversity is the spice of life, but enough already.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:44 PM
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31. I'm a dedicated NYer, but I understand how folks think someone from the Upper West Side
who went to fancy private universities, like the others on the court, is not representative.

I like her and think she'll do well.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:53 PM
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33. She'll be better than anyone McCain would have picked, that's for sure.
And that's a point on which I harped to get some waverers to vote for Obama.

Nonetheless, I think that she may be further to the right on civil liberties and executive power than I am.

I would've gone with Diane Wood (sp).
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:59 PM
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34. Yeah, it's a tough call. But being on The Court changes folks and let's hope
that the greater freedom will tug her to the left a bit.

It certainly happened with Souter.

I know a guy who was one of McCain's classmates at the Naval Academy. He completely agreed with me that McCain had the absolute wrong temperament for the presidency and voted for Obama.

Keep the Faith!
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:12 PM
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41. Aye! Hope for a Souter!. n/t
Edited on Mon May-10-10 04:22 PM by amandabeech
Edit: get the "e" in the right place, AB.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:43 PM
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30. I wouldn't mind if all the justices were from New York
Better than them being from some hick town in the South.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:47 PM
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42. It is not a political body
There is no geographic representation aspect of it.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:55 PM
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45. Hahahahahahaaaaa!
Not a political body, U kill me!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:18 PM
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12. After Sotomayor, he was clearly seeking balance on the baseball front
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:33 PM
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25. As a Mets fan, I think that's progress. But some of the other teams need
to be represented too.

When we going to get a Pirates or Royals fan on the court?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 04:49 AM
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57. Dunno, but be glad our mortal enemies the Red Sox weren't picked. n/t
Edited on Tue May-11-10 04:50 AM by vaberella
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:43 PM
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29. the next pick should be from Staten Island
we need the Supreme Court to represent ALL the boroughs.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:03 PM
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38. Okay, I laughed. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:50 PM
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32. As a life long Phillies fan, and person who roots for the Red Sox everytime they face the Yankees
All is explained.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:03 PM
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43. Three women on the SC is a start!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:03 PM
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48. Obama joked about Kagan being a Mets fan and Sotomayor being a Yankee fan

rocktivity
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:45 PM
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50. Catfight!!!!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 04:50 AM
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58. Totally, I'm so anti-Yankees... ^_^ n/t
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:49 AM
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52. It would be the first time the court would be without a protestant.
You must admit, that seems odd. A real lack of diversity there. There shouldn't be a religious test, I'm just pointing out that a group that represents 55% of Americans will not be represented (if Kagan is confirmed), but 3% of the country (Jews) would have 3 of the 9 seats. Catholics would have 6 seats. Interesting at the least.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:53 AM
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53. so it was diverse when there was only one Protestent?
these complaints are beyond ridiculous.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:58 AM
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54. Yes - by definition.
Are we only interested in diversity as long as minorities are the ones unrepresented?

3% of the U.S. population ---- 3 seats out of 9
55% of the U.S. population ---- 0 seats out of 9

What's beyond ridiculous at pointing that out?
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:00 AM
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55. When they bring the 2010 World Series trophy to the Court ..
to show #28 to A.J. Sotomayor, as they did this year, I'm sure she'll let A.J. Kagan take a peek at it.. :P

I learned today that she's a 'Hunter girl', as am I, so I can overlook the Met connection.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 04:47 AM
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56. OMG she's a METS fan?! Obama your pick the best!!! I LOVE THE METS!!
They don't get much love...but as a New Yorker I stand by the METS 100%.
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