Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The problem with Obama

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:42 PM
Original message
The problem with Obama
is that some people are trying to write him off, and he's not accommodating.

Case in point, from this article:

<...>

Obama was walking on political air in March after his bravura performance drove health care reform through Congress -- a victory no previous Democratic presidents had savored.

He then clinched a nuclear arms reduction deal with Russia, and proved his growing global clout by bringing world leaders to Washington for a nuclear summit.

<...>

On Thursday he insisted in a CNN interview: "this is the best job on Earth."

And White House spokesman Robert Gibbs rejects the media narrative that the oil crisis will crimp Obama's agenda.

Some facts also bolster the White House case.

Despite the media fixation on the oil spill, Obama looks set to add several legacy filling achievements in the coming weeks.

It seems likely he will have a sweeping financial reform bill to sign before the July 4 holiday, and his second Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan looks set for a trouble-free confirmation.

Most opinion polls still show Obama at just below the crucial 50 percent barrier -- making him much more popular than his political foes.

<...>




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:44 PM
Response to Original message
1. The problem with Obama is that he's black
At the root, that's what the whole fucking thing is about. He's held to a greatly different standard than that expected even of other democrats. His failures are always "Obama's doom" rather than "setbacks" and his successes are always appended with "but...". The press does everything but call him "boy"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Luckily, with his positive approval ratings, not everyone
thinks like that, though there are way too many who do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Ayup, on the nosey. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. I've been hearing that argument lately
and I think it's bullshit. It's similar to the AIPAC cry of anti-semiticsm when people criticize Israeli policies. It's an attempt to shut off debate without actually responding to the critics' arguments. It's also an admission that you have no real answer to the charges, since presumably, if you could rebut them, you would do so. Name calling isn't a response.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #11
25. The problem- the critics of Obama are full of shit.
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 08:17 AM by catgirl
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 06:48 AM
Response to Reply #1
18. As do many on DU.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
30. which forces him to avoid appearing angry and extreme.
A Caucasian president is free to get all FDR/LBJ on the Opposition's posteriors sans the same political consequences.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. Bingo! As he continues to have successess the more vile
they will become! Just a matter of time before someone calls him what they have wanted to say....I think someone on Faux will do it first.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
36. better black than a woman.......
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 08:25 PM by jesus_of_suburbia
at least with the media





I can't imagine how long it will take for an open GLBT to win the Presidency. :banghead:


P.S. - if Michelle had been the candidate, she wouldn't have won.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
37. As Chris Tucker most famously said, "and you know this, man!"
K
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
2. I wouldn't call the health insurance clusterfuck a victory
What happened to the "robust public option"?
I still support and admire Obama. I haven't scraped my bumpersticker off yet.
I still think that he's up against a wall on most issues.
But I want the Obama we saw as a candidate, fiery and focused. There seems to be too much politics being played. If he's concerned about being re-elected, he shouldn't play, he should act up to those principles that we all admired when he was a candidate. He may be a one term president. So what is there to lose? Go for IT!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
38. victory for insurance companies...
a BOHICA for a lot of us, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
volvoblue Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
4. the problem is that press admittedly dislikes him.
this morning on CNN with Howard Kurtz, a journalist, Julie mason, admitted that the press dislikes the president.
it began with Chuck todd speculating that obama doesn't seem to like the press very much and that was all that was needed to set them off on a pack like rampage against him.
Now they are at war and the press is trying to destroy him
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. It began WAY before that
It began when Republican-loving corporations started purchasing media outlets and taking a vested interest in the occupant of the White House. Anything else is an excuse for them to be as partisan and crappy as they've been.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Yeah, they didn't like John Kerry or Al Gore either. As a matter of fact, did they ever like
Edited on Sun Jun-06-10 09:46 PM by Jennicut
Clinton or Carter? They have had a bias against Dems for a long, long time. Not enough ass kissing I suppose...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. They'd much rather give airtime to Liz Cheney. And not bother to fact check her
In a nutshell, our media works like this:

Democrats are faced with steely eyed skepticism.

Republicans are greeted with wide-eyed wonder.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Yeah and some here think that if only Obama could control the narrative!
What narrative? The narrative will always be the media's narrative. They are not news...it is 5 major corps...ABC,NBC (MSNBC), CBS, CNN and Faux.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:28 AM
Response to Reply #9
16. There would not be the slightest hint that the oil spill was McCain's
problem, even, had he won. He would have gotten praise for what he did do and that's it. Same with Bush.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Yep. They don't like anyone who doesn't cater/pander to their garbage spin n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #4
24. I don't consider CNN to be fair press

CNN has a bunch of a-holes working for them.

CNN is only interested in controversy, and if there's none, they create it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:19 PM
Response to Original message
7. The problem is...
....he won't listen to me!

That guarantees he's a one-termer, let me tell you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #7
23. you have to keep sending those letters!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
12. Actually the problem is that he doesn't like to crow about his accomplishments or attack the repubs
in a harsh enough way. It makes him seem detatched and distant. It's like he has all these accomplishments that people don't know anything about because the government has failed to lay the groundwork in promoting. It's good he gets things done but he could be more vocal about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 12:35 AM
Response to Original message
13. The problem with Obama is that he is too good for this country
And, he's black.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftyAndProud60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 02:17 AM
Response to Original message
14. If we are on the verge of the dbl dip recession, things will get a lot worse. NT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:04 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. One jobs report does not signal a double-dip recession. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. Let's see
should I listen to ProSense or Robert Reich?

By Robert Reich, Guest blogger / June 5, 2010

We’re falling into a double-dip recession.

The Labor Department reports this morning that the private sector added a measly 41,000 net new jobs in May. (The vast bulk of new jobs in May were temporary government Census workers.) But at least 100,000 new jobs are needed every month just to keep up with population growth.

In other words, the labor market continues to deteriorate.

The average length of unemployment continues to rise – now up to 34.4 weeks (up from 33 weeks in April). That’s another record.

More Americans are too discouraged to look for a job than last year at this time (1.1 million in May, an increase of 291,000 from a year earlier.)


Of the small number of jobs created by the private sector in May, many came from temporary help services.

Which is one reason why the median wage continues to drop.

Why are we having such a hard time getting free of the Great Recession? Because consumers, who constitute 70 percent of the economy, don’t have the dough. They can’t any longer treat their homes as ATMs, as they did before the Great Recession.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Robert-Reich-s-Blog/2010/0605/US-is-falling-Into-a-double-dip-recession
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. "In other words, the labor market continues to deteriorate."
After nearly two years of job losses, the economy has now added jobs in five of the last six months. With upward revisions for both March and February, there has been a gain of 573,000 jobs since the start of the year.

link


The picture isn't as gloomy as Reich makes it out to be.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. But it is gloomy
Because you realize that just in order to keep up with our increasing population, the economy has to add more jobs than that every month.

So Reich may be TOO gloomy, but it's still gloomy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. This is the beginning of a recovery. Things are moving in the right direction, albeit slowly. Reich
Edited on Mon Jun-07-10 08:08 AM by ProSense
"But at least 100,000 new jobs are needed every month just to keep up with population growth."

As pointed out: "After nearly two years of job losses, the economy has now added jobs in five of the last six months. With upward revisions for both March and February, there has been a gain of 573,000 jobs since the start of the year."

Coming from more than 800,000 jobs lost each month, this is movement in the right direction.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. But not the private sector
In the short term the government and the stimulus is doing what it was suppose to do, and we needed it to do. Reich is discussing longer term where the data are not encouraging, i.e. "gloomy". If you're headed towards a cliff, and slam on the breaks, it's not enough just be able to demonstrate you are slowing down. One has to slow down "fast" enough. If your not, other actions may be required. The outlook is gloomy in the long term. I'm less interested in "how" gloomy and far more interested in how to change that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:06 AM
Response to Original message
21. Obama will be successful
He'll be very successful at getting done things he wants to accomplish, at least for about 5 more years or so. The "problem" will be that it might not include much of what he campaigned upon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:30 AM
Response to Original message
27. The problem is Obama is corporatist
who marketed himself on a campaign of change. However, there hasn't been much change. Obama has too many Bush people around him and has continued to implement and expand Bush era programs and policies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. "continued to implement and expand Bush era programs and policies" Bush did
not deliver health care and student loan reform and the credit card act or pursue financial reform, which will significantly reduce Wall Street's profits.

He is reversing Bush's energy policies and is working to end subsidies to oil companies.

Despite all of that, I simply cannot see how anyone, after experiencing the last eight years, can logically conclude that there is no difference between President Obama and George Bush, going so far as to claim that he is somehow worse than Bush.





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
espiral Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #29
39. health "reform"; big whoop.
"deliver health care"? The man made it MANDATORY that people too poor to afford privatized insurance buy it anyway on penalty of hundreds of dollars of fines. There is nothing vaguely resembling a US NHS or a EU-style medical program. *CUBA* continues to outdo us on health care- and I am supposed to THANK this double-talking scoundrel for the "change" he "achieved"?

It blows the mind how so many people continue to fawn over this man. Absolutely blows the mind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. +1 the problem is he is an ideological corporatist
It is at the root of how he attempts to deal with "the stakeholders" and their companies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
28. There is no problem with Obama.
The problem lies with the media who is

1. Overcompensating for allowing Bush/Cheney to get away with so many lies and secret-keeping,

2. Has such a taste for scandalicious tabloid journalism, they more interested in pushing media-created perceptions and reporting on scandals than investigating actual new stories and delivering facts without injecting their personal opinions and misplaced perceptions.

I still haven't heard squat from the "media" about Cheney's secret oil meetings. Oh well, who cares about that. It's not like it may have resulted in any real problems or anything.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:35 PM
Response to Original message
32. It's a mistake to write off
the President.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:48 PM
Response to Original message
33. DU is so obsessed with this Obama fellow.
Policy issues are much more interesting to me, but maybe I'm unusual in that respect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 09:45 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC