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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:49 PM
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And now, a message from the President
"This is the largest federal response to an environmental disaster in history," he said. "From day one we understood that this was going to be a major disaster. We have put unprecedented resources to deal with it."

The American people are "understandably frustrated," he said, which they "have every right to be." But they should be aware, he emphasized, that the federal government has evaluated every idea offered about how to stem the flow of oil.

"If it was going to work we would have done it," he said.

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If you missed the interview, you can watch it here.




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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:53 PM
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1. "If it was going to work we would have done it," he said.
Heartily agree.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:59 PM
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4. I think this will come as a shock to
those who believe the President is picking his nose in response to the spill.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:14 PM
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10. I'm pretty disgusted at the monumental effort to make it appear THIS was his first trip to the gulf!
Disgusting.

He can't win in the eyes of some... if he'd held a presser every day to give every detail in excruciating detail, "they" would have said he's wasting all that time on pressers.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:49 PM
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43. Mccafferty on CNN just said that Obama's lack of response to this is worse than
Bush's response to Katrina.

Now you got to shake your head on that one.

How can a President under constant assault like this from every which angle and party and interest, including democrats (*horks and spits), how can he possibly be expected to perform? And yet he does. Imagine is he actually had some support and support that got invited on these propaganda news shows?

I want him to walk after his 4 years are up and just sit back and watch another Bushco take over and some people here will be so pleased.

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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:55 PM
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2. I want it to be larger.
How large I'm not sure, but what I've been told is that it's not large enough.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:57 PM
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3. "How large I'm not sure, but what I've been told is that it's not large enough."
:rofl:

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:03 PM
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6. Why is that funny?
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 03:07 PM by Oregone
Do you BELIEVE that EVERY possible drop of oil that can be removed from the ocean and kept out of vital habitat to 100% of man's ability has been?

And if not, a larger response is warranted to contain the oil, skim what they can, and clean the affected areas.

Is this the absolute best possible response? Yes or no?

Is there not one more person they can put on the ground there? Is there not one more skimmer they can deploy? Is there not one more berm they can construct? Is there absolutely nothing else that the federal government can do?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:06 PM
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8. Because it is.
The President's response three weeks ago was already the largest response. He then announced that he would triple the effort in some locations.

Large enough? No, it will never be large enough.

"Why is that funny?"

Because it is.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:13 PM
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9. You are free to laugh
But the government should do everything in their power to address this catastrophe from every angle.

Not just a little. Not just some. Not even a lot. EVERYTHING. Every vessel they can get down there, without compromising efficiency, should be there. Every person they can put on the ground for cleaning and containment should be there. Every damn drop of oil they can prevent from devastating the ecosystem needs to be collected or controlled.

Having the largest response, in history, is not enough. They must have the largest response they can possibly manage.

This isn't a laughing matter so much.

The wildlife is dying. People are losing their livelihoods and health. Ecosystems are being destroyed.

And you....you. You are laughing.

:facepalm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:17 PM
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13. "the government should do everything in their power to address this catastrophe from every angle"
Wait, isn't that what the President just said he's doing? What's your argument?

Do you have a measure that's larger than that?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:19 PM
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14. So this is 100% the best possible response for the best of all possible worlds?
There isn't but another bucket full of oil they could remove from endangering the ecosystem by getting more resources to the area?

This is *it*? Is that your claim?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:25 PM
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17. "There isn't but another bucket full of oil they could remove " He could send you.
Grab a mop.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:30 PM
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19. Along with the masses of unemployed in America
Yes. Exactly...he could send many more, insofar as the amount does not reach the point of diminishing returns and begin to impact the overall efficiency. But with this stuff breaking shore in Florida...that number would be absurdly high.


Ok...so now you are thinking of what else he can do. Again...this implies his current response isn't the best possible.


So, now that we have established that the response isn't to the full capacity of the government...and animals are dying, livelihoods are being ruined, and ecosystems are being destroyed....


Why is this funny to you?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:34 PM
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21. So you think he should send the 16 million or so unemployed to the Gulf? n/t
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:41 PM
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23. If there is so much as a *single* man, boat or skimmer that could be sent to increase efficiency of
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 03:44 PM by Oregone
clean-up, it implies the government is not doing everything they can possible do to contain this spill and clean up the impacted areas.

Do you believe there is not one more resource that can be allocated from the public or private sector to help mitigate, to any degree, this disaster?

As far as your question, a good deal (hundreds of thousands) of the unemployed people in the affected areas could have been mobilized & trained (with a voluntary employment opportunity) and sent to the beaches over a month ago. If coordinators felt more people could do more at that point, more positions could be made. You don't want to swamp an area and impede on efficiency from the outset, but you don't want to not even try.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:44 PM
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24. Maybe the Governor of Louisiana should order all the citizens of his state to volunteer.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 03:47 PM by ProSense
That would add a few million to the effort.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:48 PM
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26. Its all just a big joke to laugh about. As long as you "win" with your talking points at day's end
The infallible man with his infallible supporters. Never is there any room for improvement. Never.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:54 PM
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27. I laugh at unreasonable.
:rofl:

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:00 PM
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29. And thats disgusting
Just as humans are, for the most part.

So, it isn't that Obama is doing "everything possible". He is doing everything that his administration perceives as "reasonable" (politically or otherwise). Even if this "reasonable" response is not the absolute best response within his power, suggestions to improve the response are merely a joke.

Im sick of humans. One of these days they will do themselves in for good, the universe can only hope.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:02 PM
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30. He's doing everything possible. You're "sick of humans," and
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 04:02 PM by ProSense
I laugh at unreasonable. So be it.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:10 PM
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32. Oh, yes, everything possible
Because sending but one single additional person (or more) in to the beaches with clean-up gear is both impossible (cannot physically be done) and unreasonable

:sarcasm:

No. You are making excuses for an administration you are enamored with. Thats it. Thats all. You are setting the bar for "reasonable" so low that even Bush could hit it in a drunken stupor, just so you don't have to be any bit critical of the Obama administration. Its absurdity.

Look. I haven't said Obama is doing nothing. I haven't said he is doing a shitty job. All Ive said is he is not doing everything possible. Rarely, if ever, will mankind ever act entirely within their power on every endeavor, and always should there be critics that encourage them to do so for the worthy ones (even if they are already doing "great").

This is blind partisan politics you are displaying here (again). Thats all it is. A big joke and a big quests to "win" at any cost. In the end, thats going to hurt *you* far more than constructive criticism, or otherwise, of an administration. You've made a mockery out of this topic.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:17 PM
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34. "Because sending but one single additional person " So you're upset
because the President said he's doing everything possible, and you, "one single additional person," haven't volunteered yet?

"I haven't said Obama is doing nothing. I haven't said he is doing a shitty job."

Yes, I know.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:20 PM
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35. I'm upset because you are laughing at death, decay, and destruction in order to defend your guy
You are setting the bar for "reasonable" unreasonably low to avoid criticizing the president. Its....disgusting.

Hope he sends you an autographed picture.

Good day
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:21 PM
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36. No, I'm not, but
now I'm laughing at your comment.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:16 PM
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12. Did you see Rachel Maddow's piece on the cleanup?
The technology BP is employing dates back to Exxon Valdez days... it's decades old... there isn't even any new research being done in this area... you can't battle their lies. The Bush Oil Crime Family (includes Cheney) approved of these deep water wells and pushed the lies too.

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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:01 PM
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5. I think BP is standing in the way. It might be time to militarize the effort.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:05 PM
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7. But we need the national guard fighting for our oil in the middle east!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:15 PM
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11. The administration authorized the use of 17,500 members of the National Guard weeks ago
U.S. Coast Guard
The Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives. Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for the administration’s continued, coordinated response—providing additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental risks.

<...>

Department of Defense (DOD)
DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant—capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:22 PM
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15. And there isn't one more deployed elsewhere that would be useful?
Like...deployed in Afghanistan for example?

17,500. The perfect, absolute optimal number to clean up this mess. 18,000 would be too much. Lets keep the rest with guns, abroad.

The infallible man doing the PERFECT response. Again.

But hey...ITS A START. Lets just do this clean up, half ass, AND WE WILL FIX IT LATER!!!!1!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:24 PM
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16. "Like...deployed in Afghanistan for example?"
Why just Afghanistan?

Maybe he can bring the troops home from stations around the world to address the Gulf crisis?



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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:27 PM
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18. Why not? He sent many there specifically
"Maybe he can bring the troops home from stations around the world to address the Gulf crisis?"

Hell yes!

But your suggestion implies his current response is not the absolute optimal best response if it can be improved upon.

:wtf:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:33 PM
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20. So you think the President is going to bring troops stationed around the world
to address this crisis?

Why would he do that before activating all the military in this country?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:37 PM
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22. "Why would he do that before activating all the military in this country?"
Well, golly gee, I thought the president was doing EVERYTHING possible to address this, and that was just a quickie I thought of that kills two birds with one stone

But there you go. You thought of ANOTHER thing the president can do that he isn't. He has not activated the rest of the guard that is not deployed.

Oh my....but...wait...I thought he was doing the best job possible.

I thought it was funny...no wait...fucking hilarious to think that he wasn't. I mean...its great to laugh at this notion while death and decay spread.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:45 PM
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25. "I thought the president was doing EVERYTHING possible " That's right
"possible" being the operative word. Unreasonable requests are a joke.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 03:57 PM
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28. When a gulf is being choked with oil, many things become reasonable
Maybe this disaster isn't all that monumental to you, and perhaps not to Obama either apparently.

And perhaps this is where we diverge. You believe politics is "the art of the possible", and all that centrist bullshit, without even addressing what is and isn't physically possible. Moreover, "possible" in this sense seems to imply what is politically appetizing or feasible, judge by what someone may perceive as "reasonable". We essentially have politically theory creeping into how to address an environmental catastrophe, and any response that isn't politically "reasonable" (but still, physically possible) is just a joke to you.

Its a seriously sad time when an argument like this will win the day. To think that any allocation of additional resources is "unreasonable" (and therefore not possible in the political sense), despite its ability to improve the efficiency of the response is short-sighted at best.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:08 PM
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31. "Maybe this disaster isn't all that monumental to you, and perhaps not to Obama either apparently."
President Obama: "we're dealing with a massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster."

Of course, some want to believe he's clueless, uncaring and incompetent.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:12 PM
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33. Odd, because apparently additional response is unreasonable and laughable
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:56 PM
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37. EVERYONE STOP WORRYING...JUST LOOK AT THESE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OK...


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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:13 AM
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45. I love that second picture!
I love both of them but haven't seen a good clear shot of the second one.

I'm gonna save it to my photobucket.

Thanks for posting it!

:fistbump:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 04:57 PM
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38. Look how understanding he is of his critics
I wish sometimes he would say, just what the hell do you want me to do? We're doing all we can.

But he's above that line.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:20 PM
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39. There are issues where I think he's been totally wrong on
and totally inept. I think he could have pushed harder, used executive power better, and used his position as leader of the party to get more.

This is one of those issues, where I believe if he could have done more, he would have.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:33 PM
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40. I'm with you here, but I think
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 05:34 PM by Jakes Progress
I would like to see some recognition that he's got the wrong advisors again, you know the ones who told him that he should do more drilling because this kind of thing never happens. Oh, and can the people who he said noticed that the regulations were too lax but did nothing about that. Then I could feel that we would have learned something from this.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:39 PM
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41. I don't think they have admitted to a mistake
Since the Daschle nomination..so I doubt that is happening.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:42 PM
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42. Then we can expect no change.
The first step to solving a problem......as they say.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:12 PM
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44. See what happens in the fall
Vitter's race might have just got more competitive.
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