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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:50 PM
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Graham says he won’t vote for the climate bill he wrote
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 05:50 PM by ProSense

Graham says he won’t vote for the climate bill he wrote

by David Roberts

Lindsey Graham -- an original cosponsor of the Senate climate bill -- has been backing away from that bill for a while. Now, according to CongressDaily, he's gone entirely:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., today said he would vote against a climate change strategy he helped develop with Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., citing new changes that further restrict offshore oil and gas drilling and the bill's impact on the transportation sector.

Yes, you read that right: He says he's bailing from the bill because, in the wake of one of the greatest offshore oil drilling disasters of all time, a bill devoted to reducing climate pollution does not expand offshore oil drilling enough. Such is the Bizarro World of the U.S. Senate.

Graham offers some other justifications for bailing, but as Brad says, they are transparently ridiculous -- mostly objecting to provisions of the bill that he was instrumental in shaping. He's retreating to the now-familiar Republican position of "we need to start over," which is their way of opposing everything without looking totally nihilistic. He's also saying some borderline-denialist (but mostly just incoherent) things about climate change, as Kate Sheppard details.

Basically, the base won. Graham was under the impression, shared by some his older mentors, that Republicans are still the party of business. He thought if he rode in, watered down the bill to make it friendlier to industry, and garnered support from oil companies and manufacturers, he would be hailed as a hero. He hasn't internalized the fact that the crazies have completely taken over the Republican Party. But they made their will known in no uncertain terms.

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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:54 PM
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1. Someone needs to out Graham. Like yesterday.
What an asshole to back out of something he co-sponsored.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:13 PM
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17. only when he votes against gay rights...
which will be the next time gay rights legislation comes up for a vote.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:22 PM
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20. isn't he effectively out already, though?
do any his constituents not know?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:55 PM
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2. Hows that "bipartisanship" and "compromise" working out for ya? Figures.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:05 PM
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5. What are you talking about? There was no bipartisan compromise.
Graham co-wrote the bloody bill. This is half is work. And he just dumped it. A lot of good bills have been bipartisan co-written like the Dorgan amendment. This is not a COMPROMISE. It was co-written and the Republican shat on it. Don't turn this into an Obama failure thing which your post implied. This solely republican hypocrisy, greed, and stupidity.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:10 PM
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6.  You just don't get it. To the GOP partisanship trumps ALL. That is the point.
Folks keep thinking if they cosponsor a bill it means something.Think back to NCLB. THAT worked out real well didn't it? Now we they taking the added step of not supporting a bill they sponsored! And yet some still kiss GOP butt hoping they don't really hate us.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:21 PM
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7. "Folks keep thinking if they cosponsor a bill it means something."
No that's your interpretation. There is a need with only 59 Democratic Senators to get bipartisan support for certain bills. It's doubtful that Landrieu will support the bill. There may be other defectors. So unless you're advocating that Democrats forego compromise in favor of nothing being passed, bipartisan support is something to strive for. If only one Republican crosses the aisle and Democrats can keep their coalition intact, then bills requiring 60 votes can pass.

Currently Murkowski is trying to strip the EPA's powers. There aren't enough Republican Senators to pass the bill, but she has managed to get Landrieu, Lincoln and Ben Nelson on board.

See, even the GOP recognize that bipartisan support is needed.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:28 PM
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8. Again, you miss the point. Do not lecture me on how bills are passed.
The fact is , we compromise entire bills away and the GOP give little and get a lot. Just the way it is.If we "compromised" the way the GOP do, we might actually get something productive done.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:31 PM
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9. The bill wasn't compromised away.
This is the same argument being made about the health care law, you know, the one Republicans are vowing to repeal and every state with a GOP legislature is trying to invalidate, with no success.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:37 PM
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10.  Yawn. Same old same old. My premiums went up. I really am "proud "of the reform
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 06:40 PM by saracat
.:sarcasm:
Blue cross now questions every procedure and they also dumped my doctor. HCR is a fraud and most now know it. WE could have had a public option but we didn't want it. Qui bono. This bill wasn't "compromised away". They pretended to support it, and then stabbed us in the back . And now the Financial reform will be up next. Oh Joy.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:42 PM
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11. The health care reform law has nothing to do with your premiums going up.
It doesn't go into effect until 2014 (remember that complaint?) and the first state involved in an effort to set up a system ahead of the implementation is California.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:47 PM
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12. There is a Big Picture here but I don't expect some to be able to understand.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 06:47 PM by saracat
It requires the application of knowledge to actuality. My physician understands the context. But then, she has to deal with the application every day. And how odd you bring up the 2014 date when there was such an argument about those particular elements that go into play immediately or within months? How quickly those are forgotten.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:52 PM
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13. The bill doesn't go into effect until 2014.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 06:52 PM by ProSense
The elements that do take effect prior to that date include the pre-existing condition provisions.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:07 PM
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15. Facts! They can't
handle it.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:20 PM
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19. Amazing how that is!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:02 PM
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21. Still missing the Big Picture.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:00 PM
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3. People are saying Obama is not showing leadership. Well this is the BS he's up against.
These are the hypocrite assholes he's dealing with. Graham has always wanted an out of the bill and so he's finding it here. God damned this Congress, and Republicans.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 06:04 PM
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4. Our 8 year old Lindsey is smarter than this one!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:05 PM
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14. I'm not in favor of outing politicians in revenge
but man, this guy makes me want to reconsider that position.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:14 PM
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18. see my post above....
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 07:09 PM
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16. I swear the GOP is comprised of a pack of weasels. nt
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